Why anyone would hesitate to inform anyone who seeks a reality in the spirituality of things about the work of the cross is beyond me. To know that all religions except Christianity seek salvation by works, and then to realize that Christ did the work on the cross that we could never attain to, in order to make us righteous, is the best news anyone could hear. While people circuit a grist mill of works that never ends since they'll never be good enough, Christ says His work on the cross counts for all God requires of us. And NOTHING bar ANYTHING matches that in any other religion on earth.
God grants us righteousness by the blood of Jesus before we get a chance to do one good deed.
And what's more vile is to twist that standpoint as if we were exalting ourselves, when salvation by works exalts self.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Beloved, please receive this in the Spirit of Christ.
If anyone compares one writing to another, it must be firstly to find common
ground.
you might note that i have compared no writings, but rather just took the passages quoted to me, and carried them out to their conclusions, which seems invariably to be "love." You have to admit that "If you have love, you have God" is practically at odds with most of what OP teaches--by reputation, surely, if not intent.
And so, a follower is led to "They are all lost" by "We are all saved," which Scripture does not support. All of the Scriptures you might quote, as well as continuing on to "love," place one's salvation as future tense. Every one of them, as near as i can tell.
Why anyone would hesitate to inform anyone who seeks a reality in the spirituality of things about the work of the cross is beyond me. To know that all religions except Christianity seek salvation by works, and then to realize that Christ did the work on the cross that we could never attain to, in order to make us righteous, is the best news anyone could hear. While people circuit a grist mill of works that never ends since they'll never be good enough, Christ says His work on the cross counts for all God requires of us. And NOTHING bar ANYTHING matches that in any other religion on earth.
God grants us righteousness by the blood of Jesus before we get a chance to do one good deed.
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Re: Dialogue with a Muslim
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Originally Posted by shazeep
Sounds like God (not allah, but the Creator of heaven and earth), has been
left out of the equation.
Whether that nation, or that person or circumstance, is real or hypothetically
described; whether that nation is Syria or Libya, or Mexico or Guatemala, it
portrays the natural (sinful) mind in the natural (sinful) ways of this world.
As long as people reject the counsel of the Living God to react in their sinful
and unrighteous ways to become as hateful as those around them, we will always
have "...wars and rumors of wars."
"For nations (countries) shall rise up against nations, and kingdoms
(individuals) against kingdoms; and there shall be wars and rumors of
wars..."
we are beyond that now. You have proven it when you showed that you were offended by it, like anyone would be, and with your answers to "How do you tell if someone is saved" and your non-answers to "An OP relies upon verbal bona-fides," and my other questions. I do not mean this to say that having an Acts 2:38 experience cannot lead one to salvation; not at all. Even with a little forcing of the Holy Spirit to provide "utterance," like a strong man. Even though our tongues is glossololia, and not xenoglossy. Even when you feel compelled to get re-baptized. Even though...lol.
But at some point--and i suggest that "Everyone who does not talk about Jesus like i do is lost, especially when they start going on about how God is Love" is a pretty good point--it just becomes easier to admit that perhaps you have entered into a self-serving contract, like men are prone to do. Like i did.
If you have the goods, Scripture describes the results; your "borders" will be expanding, you children will be blessed, fruitful, many other clues. But when you have lost the goods--and who would say that the OP of today is the same as Azusa St?--you will get the other clues; your borders are collapsing, your children are dying before their parents, and they cannot have children of their own, etc. Judge by the fruit.
If your borders are expanding, and you are blessed going and coming, then obviously i am not talking to you, and i say by all means, keep doing what you are doing.
Where shazeep bailed out on the discussion, then forgot he did, and today said we won't deal with all a scripture. Try again from the start, shazeep. Or will you bluff out of it again and bail?
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
"You are lost and going to hell if you don't change your mind, and i can demonstrate this with Scripture."
I have posted this countless times here, and have yet to be asked to prove it. Not one time. It would be my first question.
To which I replied...
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Originally Posted by mfblume
I'll be your Huckleberry. Prove it!
And you bailed with last post I showed before this..
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
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