God can prevent himself from being omniscient.... - Page 4

FlamingZword · #31 03-08-2016, 10:03 PM

But foolish and unlearned questions avoid.

mfblume · #32 03-09-2016, 07:46 AM

I am really curious about one thing. Why many consider issues the bible does not explain nor care to elaborate on, while focusing detailingly on other issues, as deeper things of God.

I knew a man that thought so much like that, that he considered the bible to be juvenile shallow spirituality, and he started getting into occult books from the likes of people such as Edgar Cayce! I am not saying anyone here interested in this issue of open theism would or is doing that. But that guy did.

It does concern me.

Jacob's Ladder · #33 03-09-2016, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

But foolish and unlearned questions avoid.

Such great substance you contribute.

Are they foolish and unlearned questions when you have no substance to offer while discussing the word of God?

Jacob's Ladder · #34 03-09-2016, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

I am really curious about one thing. Why many consider issues the bible does not explain nor care to elaborate on, while focusing detailingly on other issues, as deeper things of God.

I knew a man that thought so much like that, that he considered the bible to be juvenile shallow spirituality, and he started getting into occult books from the likes of people such as Edgar Cayce! I am not saying anyone here interested in this issue of open theism would or is doing that. But that guy did.

It does concern me.

Mfblume,

I have not made this topic the highlight of my life. As I read through the bible, I write down information that "sticks out," and I study it whenever I get around to it.

You also stated above, "Why many consider issues the bible does not explain nor care to elaborate on, while focusing detailingly on other issues, as deeper things of God."

There are many things that have a deeper meaning when studying, even though the bible doesn't explain or elaborate. I will give you an example.

John 20:26
Eight days later the disciples were together again, and this time Thomas was with them. The doors were locked; but suddenly, as before, Jesus was standing among them. "Peace be with you," he said.

We know after the crucifixion Jesus appeared before the disciples, but yet Thomas was not there. We then read in John 20:26, that eight days later, Jesus appeared before the disciples, again. However, this time Thomas was there. Why did Jesus return eight days later? Why not the next day or perhaps the fifth day? Why wait eight days? There's something about eight days.

God told Abraham to circumcise Isaac on the eighth day. We all know that circumcision is cutting away the flesh and/or foreskin. Not only Isaac, but Jesus was taken to the temple on the eight day and circumcised. Jesus came for Thomas on the eighth day because doubting Thomas represented the "flesh part" of the disciples, and the flesh part of Thomas would have prevented the disciples from functioning in unison and entering the promises of God. Jesus returned on the eighth day to circumcise Thomas' doubt.

There are always deeper meanings with information in the bible that the bible doesn't elaborate about.

The first drop of blood that Jesus shed wasn't on the cross, it was in the temple on the eighth day.

FlamingZword · #35 03-09-2016, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

Such great substance you contribute.

Are they foolish and unlearned questions when you have no substance to offer while discussing the word of God?

Yes there are foolish and unlearned questions.

and it is these kinds of questions which lack any substance.

mizpeh · #36 03-09-2016, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Can't resist. Sun and moon weren't "made" by first day, not weren't "created."

I'm not sure what your point is. Made vs Created...what is the difference?

Colossian 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 for in him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers—all things have been created through him and for him.

All things in heaven and on earth were created.

mizpeh · #37 03-09-2016, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

Mfblume,

I have not made this topic the highlight of my life. As I read through the bible, I write down information that "sticks out," and I study it whenever I get around to it.

You also stated above, "Why many consider issues the bible does not explain nor care to elaborate on, while focusing detailingly on other issues, as deeper things of God."

There are many things that have a deeper meaning when studying, even though the bible doesn't explain or elaborate. I will give you an example.

John 20:26
Eight days later the disciples were together again, and this time Thomas was with them. The doors were locked; but suddenly, as before, Jesus was standing among them. "Peace be with you," he said.

We know after the crucifixion Jesus appeared before the disciples, but yet Thomas was not there. We then read in John 20:26, that eight days later, Jesus appeared before the disciples, again. However, this time Thomas was there. Why did Jesus return eight days later? Why not the next day or perhaps the fifth day? Why wait eight days? There's something about eight days.

God told Abraham to circumcise Isaac on the eighth day. We all know that circumcision is cutting away the flesh and/or foreskin. Not only Isaac, but Jesus was taken to the temple on the eight day and circumcised. Jesus came for Thomas on the eighth day because doubting Thomas represented the "flesh part" of the disciples, and the flesh part of Thomas would have prevented the disciples from functioning in unison and entering the promises of God. Jesus returned on the eighth day to circumcise Thomas' doubt.

There are always deeper meanings with information in the bible that the bible doesn't elaborate about.

The first drop of blood that Jesus shed wasn't on the cross, it was in the temple on the eighth day.

I'm not a huge fan of allegory. One story can be crafted different ways with the use of allegory. It's okay but I'm more black and white for the most part.

mizpeh · #38 03-09-2016, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

I am really curious about one thing. Why many consider issues the bible does not explain nor care to elaborate on, while focusing detailingly on other issues, as deeper things of God.

I knew a man that thought so much like that, that he considered the bible to be juvenile shallow spirituality, and he started getting into occult books from the likes of people such as Edgar Cayce! I am not saying anyone here interested in this issue of open theism would or is doing that. But that guy did.

It does concern me.

If you checked out some of the links to the articles I gave you, you would understand the benefits of open theism. If you were a calvinist you would also see the benefits of open theism even if you disagreed.

Give me some meat with those potatoes and veggies and milk, please.

mfblume · #39 03-09-2016, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

Mfblume,

I have not made this topic the highlight of my life. As I read through the bible, I write down information that "sticks out," and I study it whenever I get around to it.

You also stated above, "Why many consider issues the bible does not explain nor care to elaborate on, while focusing detailingly on other issues, as deeper things of God."

There are many things that have a deeper meaning when studying, even though the bible doesn't explain or elaborate. I will give you an example.

John 20:26
Eight days later the disciples were together again, and this time Thomas was with them. The doors were locked; but suddenly, as before, Jesus was standing among them. "Peace be with you," he said.

We know after the crucifixion Jesus appeared before the disciples, but yet Thomas was not there. We then read in John 20:26, that eight days later, Jesus appeared before the disciples, again. However, this time Thomas was there. Why did Jesus return eight days later? Why not the next day or perhaps the fifth day? Why wait eight days? There's something about eight days.

God told Abraham to circumcise Isaac on the eighth day. We all know that circumcision is cutting away the flesh and/or foreskin. Not only Isaac, but Jesus was taken to the temple on the eight day and circumcised. Jesus came for Thomas on the eighth day because doubting Thomas represented the "flesh part" of the disciples, and the flesh part of Thomas would have prevented the disciples from functioning in unison and entering the promises of God. Jesus returned on the eighth day to circumcise Thomas' doubt.

There are always deeper meanings with information in the bible that the bible doesn't elaborate about.

The first drop of blood that Jesus shed wasn't on the cross, it was in the temple on the eighth day.

amen. But the difference is the bible does elaborate on the eighth day, for example. The key, I believe, is to stick with the word over these things. I'm just saying the word does not elaborate on the open theistic concept.

When Paul talked of "the deep things of God", it wasn't issues not dealt with in the word.

mfblume · #40 03-09-2016, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

If you checked out some of the links to the articles I gave you, you would understand the benefits of open theism. If you were a calvinist you would also see the benefits of open theism even if you disagreed.

Give me some meat with those potatoes and veggies and milk, please.

I believe meat is what the word gets into alone.

the reason I make these claims is simply because the word dies not go beyond noting that point. regardless of what the articles say, I already know the weird didn't get into that.

I believe the bible is self-contained in light of what we need. If it didn't deal with that issue, I don't need it.