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04-17-2016, 07:16 AM
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Pride of the Neighborhood
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Re: Rock Hudson Repented Before His Death
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because the question shows that you assume that you know my beliefs
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I'm not assuming anything. It's a question I'm happy to ask of anyone. If someone believes that people are forgiven when they repent, yet they believe that person is unsaved still---that is, going to hell---what were they forgiven of when they were forgiven? Again it's a simple question. I was asking you for an answer, but would be happy for anyone here to offer an explanation of how that works.
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
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04-17-2016, 07:45 AM
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Re: Rock Hudson Repented Before His Death
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I have never said I know for a fact his eternal destiny. I said that I read an account where Hudson repented before his death.
IF he truly repented---God only knows---but IF he repented, according to the scriptures, he was forgiven.
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Wrong. Repentance alone does not secure forgiveness of sins.
Acts 22:16 says sins are washed away IN BAPTISM.
Acts 2:38 says baptism is for the remission (forgiveness) of sins.
There is no scripture that says "repentance alone secures forgiveness of sins."
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04-17-2016, 08:03 AM
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Re: Rock Hudson Repented Before His Death
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Originally Posted by deacon blues
Blasphemy to call God's mercy a band aid.
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Grow up and read a post for a change before you reply.
I posted that the way people view "Faith without Fruit" doctrine.
Everyone from child to adult look at that teaching in disgust, it gave Christopher Hitchens a huge amount of material. No Mr Hysterical DB, I'm not blaspheming by my judgement of your ptomaine doctrine. I'm just pointing out how it has destroyed Christianity, especially in this country.
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04-17-2016, 08:12 AM
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Re: Rock Hudson Repented Before His Death
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Please share with us how you know Rock's eternal destination EB. Please tell us how to be God.
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Ok, let's go through this again. Rock Hudson's caretaker boyfriend calls the priest, not Rock Hudson. Priest comes and administers last rights making a determination that Rock Hudson was on his last leg. Holy cookie was granted BECAUSE of Priest's determination that Rock Hudson was in right standing with the Roman Catholic god and the RCC. When the Charismatic Pat Boone show up they have prayer over an unconscious body. Sorry DB, but no cigar, your boy Rock Hudson died as he lived an atheist. Sorry, and extremely sad story of wasted life, which you choose to parade before us as a victory for God? Sad, bro, really sad.
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
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04-17-2016, 08:22 AM
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Re: Rock Hudson Repented Before His Death
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Grace is too good to be true for many people. It's hard for them to believe we can't save ourselves. All that striving, all that hard work, all of that sacrifice---it should earn us something right?
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No, that's your excuse for overlooking that Jesus told people to sin no more. Mistakes are a part of growing up for anyone but deliberately making mistakes isn't what Jesus had in mind. No one believes in feigned goodness, they have a true experience through the Holy Ghost which changes their BEHAVIOR!!!
No jail house Jesus sinner prayer, but the baptism of the Holy Ghost.
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
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04-17-2016, 08:29 AM
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Re: Rock Hudson Repented Before His Death
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Originally Posted by deacon blues
I have never said I know for a fact his eternal destiny. I said that I read an account where Hudson repented before his death.
IF he truly repented---God only knows---but IF he repented, according to the scriptures, he was forgiven.
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No way! Bro, you started this thread because you believe the Hollywood deviant was saved and dancing before the throne. You are carrying on a debate because now you have to defend starting this so-called saved dead pervert thread. Or maybe you just started the thread to get a debate going? Either way you believe that a person can blow off God, raping and pillaging then just before the last gasp the slide under the pearly gates with a "I'm sorry?" Good luck with that.
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
Last edited by Evang.Benincasa; 04-17-2016 at 08:33 AM.
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04-17-2016, 03:14 PM
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Pride of the Neighborhood
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Re: Rock Hudson Repented Before His Death
The thief on the cross did NOTHING to be saved, except ask the Lord to remember him in the afterlife---Jesus said he would be in paradise with Him. He didn't even say "I'm sorry." Or get baptized. Or speak in tongues. Or work really hard to show everyone he was really sorry.
Point is, I read a report that Hudson repented before he died. If he did, and God only knows, then he was forgiven. If he didn't then he wasn't.
The bigger issue is there are those who believe people cannot be saved from a deathbed. I disagree, and so does the Scripture. If Jesus cannot save you even at your most weak and desperate moment, He's not much of a Savior. If He saves only those who are well enough, strong enough, physically whole enough---then His salvation is woefully ineffective. Jesus came to the lowliest of the low. You can't get much lower than a deathbed.
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
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04-17-2016, 03:23 PM
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Re: Rock Hudson Repented Before His Death
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Originally Posted by deacon blues
The thief on the cross did NOTHING to be saved, except ask the Lord to remember him in the afterlife---Jesus said he would be in paradise with Him. He didn't even say "I'm sorry." Or get baptized. Or speak in tongues. Or work really hard to show everyone he was really sorry.
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Enough with the thief in the cross, he was in the old covenant not in the new.
He does not count in the New Covenant. 
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04-17-2016, 03:34 PM
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Re: Rock Hudson Repented Before His Death
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Enough with the thief in the cross, he was in the old covenant not in the new.
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Amen my brother. 
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04-17-2016, 04:09 PM
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Re: Rock Hudson Repented Before His Death
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Originally Posted by deacon blues
The thief on the cross did NOTHING to be saved, except ask the Lord to remember him in the afterlife---Jesus said he would be in paradise with Him. He didn't even say "I'm sorry." Or get baptized. Or speak in tongues. Or work really hard to show everyone he was really sorry.
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Paradise means garden. So, actually Jesus says I tell you today, you will be in the garden with me. What did Jesus mean by being in the garden?
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Point is,
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Point is, that you need to cover your's with a hat. 
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Originally Posted by deacon blues
I read a report that Hudson repented before he died. If he did, and God only knows, then he was forgiven. If he didn't then he wasn't.
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No, you read what you wanted to see, and therefore this thread was created. God only knows???? Bro, are you in a mystery religion? God isn't a Greek deity looking to move us around a chess board. Not a Hindu god wanting to up the ante at the slightest whim. No, He taught His people, He allows them to know what is going on so they could prepare themselves.
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The bigger issue is there are those who believe people cannot be saved from a deathbed.
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As the tree falls there shall it lie. Sorry, but people need to repent when the call goes forth. Let's see Jeffrey Dahmer repents becomes Christian? Then is stabbed to death? Hitler repents before his death? The list is long and gross. Bro, how ungodly are we willing to paint this unrighteous picture of God to a sinner world? Who look at Christians and want to punch their lights out because they represent Jesus Christ so badly. Child molester cuts head off of a young Adam Walsh and repents on his death bed? Isn't that enough to make you blow your lunch.
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I disagree,
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Just get in line bro, there is tons of doctrine which people just don't agree with. So, get in line.
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Originally Posted by deacon blues
and so does the Scripture.
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Well, well, maybe you should start posting some of those scripture. 
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If Jesus cannot save you even at your most weak and desperate moment, He's not much of a Savior.
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Oh, so those are your conditions for Him? So, if He doesn't do it YOUR touchy feely way, then He is some joker false prophet? Wow.
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If He saves only those who are well enough, strong enough, physically whole enough---then His salvation is woefully ineffective.
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More conditions for Jesus to meet your criteria of what can pass your religious litmus test. If Jesus doesn't do X,Y, or Z He isn't the God for me?
Sorry, but people are supposed to change with CONVERSION, hence the word's meaning. Not remain the same so to show the world that being a Christian is just another way to label a hypocrite.
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Jesus came to the lowliest of the low. You can't get much lower than a deathbed.
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Jesus came to the Israelite, the Judean, no Gentiles. The Gentiles had to find Him and prove they were worthy by their faith in Him to be what He said He is. The religious elite Jesus came to first, and went to those who were raised in their religion, believed in their religion, but weren't part of the Israeli cast system. He was accused of eating with publicans and sinners, but if you want to fly that up the flag pole you also would have to say that He was a drunken over eater, Matthew 11:19.
No deathbed salvation.
Today is the day of repentance 2 Corinthians 6:2.
Choose you this day who you will serve Joshua 24:15.
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
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