The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save - Page 153

mfblume · #**1521** 08-18-2016, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

then it seems to me that you must identify those who say they have accepted this gospel, and even claim great works because of it, and yet hear i never knew you.

Only if those folks never made a priority out of union to Christ's death and taking up their crosses so their houses are not built on sand by hearing His words to take the cross and not doing it.

Context is always tossed away by so many.

thephnxman · #**1522** 08-18-2016, 09:36 AM

Muslims cannot deny allah, their false god.
Your first love, as with all muslims, is the love for allah, whom the
Apostle Paul called ". . . the god of this world." Yet not the God that
CREATED this world, even the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob:
but the god to those who reject the gospel that saves.

shazeep · #**1523** 08-18-2016, 09:38 AM

your first love is all that should matter to you, imo. Defining others' first love is the same as saying you are God.

yes, and apparently doctrines are built upon sand, when strangers are not judged by their fruit, but condemned out-of-hand based upon words. This is plainly revealed when you cannot admit how you would react when informed that you are lost. among many other things.

thephnxman · #**1524** 08-18-2016, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

your first love is all that should matter to you, imo. Defining others' first love is the same as saying you are God.
yes, and apparently doctrines are built upon sand, when strangers are not judged by their fruit, but condemned out-of-hand based upon words. This is plainly revealed when you cannot admit how you would react when informed that you are lost. among many other things.

Muslims cannot deny allah, their false god.
Your first love, as with all muslims, is the love for allah, whom the
Apostle Paul called ". . . the god of this world." Yet not the God that
CREATED this world, even the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob:
but the god to those who reject the gospel that saves.

mfblume · #**1525** 08-18-2016, 09:47 AM

The first love IN CONTEXT is what is meant to be everyone's first love.

How many more verses can be taken out of context?

FIRST LOVE:

Matthew 6:33 KJV But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Philippians 3:7-10 KJV But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. (8) Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, (9) And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: (10) That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

But we can excuse an entire religious movement urging people to abandon Christianity and follow their ways, because they said follow Christ or perish. Meanwhile they deny the very event of the cross that is the core of salvation, making everything else moot if the cross is abandoned. Why can we excuse them? Because of the mean Catholics who persecuted them and made them disdain the cross.

The word gives no free ticket to those who deny truth because of evildoers claiming Christ.

2 Peter 2:2 KJV And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

No matter how the devil gets us to deny the cross, denial of the cross is antichrist and leaves one lost. There are no crosses for us to take up, to follow Christ with, if He never took His cross to begin with.

I am amaazed at the latest months-long flurry of antichrist false doctrine on this forum.

Wow.

shazeep · #**1526** 08-18-2016, 09:52 AM

yes, i certainly assumed everyone's first love was the same, and said as much. i understand your need to discredit me any way possible, though; do your worst. I am amazed that you cannot honestly answer how you would feel about being informed that you are going to hell, and only slightly less amazed that this is not a road sign for you, on the heels of "gutless" and "no, you are refusing to answer because you are about to be painted into another corner," all of which are searchable. When you are prepared to search yourself, instead of others, i have 4 or 5 more that you can reflect upon. But you must seek your own salvation. Have a good day.

thephnxman · #**1527** 08-18-2016, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

yes, i certainly assumed everyone's first love was the same, and said as much. i understand your need to discredit me any way possible, though; do your worst. I am amazed that you cannot honestly answer how you would feel about being informed that you are going to hell, and only slightly less amazed that this is not a road sign for you, on the heels of "gutless" and "no, you are refusing to answer because you are about to be painted into another corner," all of which are searchable. When you are prepared to search yourself, instead of others, i have 4 or 5 more that you can reflect upon. But you must seek your own salvation. Have a good day.

YOU HAVE ADMITTED allah AS YOUR FIRST LOVE.

Muslims cannot deny allah, their false god.
Your first love, as with all muslims, is the love for allah, whom the
Apostle Paul called ". . . the god of this world." Yet not the God that
CREATED this world, even the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob:
but the god to those who reject the gospel that saves.

mfblume · #**1528** 08-18-2016, 03:32 PM

Some folks always make it personal and insulting no matter what, while others try to be objective. Never changes.

When an issue is over belief and not personal qualities there is nothing insulting intended, and only those who always make things personal can't see that.

Compare gutless with wrong.

Evang.Benincasa · #**1529** 08-18-2016, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

how you would feel about being informed that you are going to hell,

I believe in a Fulfilled Eschatology in the Apostolic Pentecostal movement.

When I first notified my brethren of my discoveries they were less than welcoming.

But we still were able to have discussions even to this day. Without me or anyone else going wee wee wee all the way home. Dude your arguments are pretty shallow and sad. Maybe you should take the time to consider what Brother Blume is trying to say to you. Instead of just wanting to fight anything he posts to you.

mfblume · #**1530** 08-18-2016, 04:26 PM

Basing our love upon whether or not we inform people they are lost is ridiculous. God so loved us while we were sinners, and LOST, that He sent His only begotten Son to die for those sins. Telling them they're lost is one thing. Telling them they're lost and God loves them so much that He sent His Son to die for the reason that they're lost is totally something different.

Furthermore, misrepresentation abounds of late. No one told a muslim here, "You are lost." It's a far cry from stating a belief about a general religion and facing an individual and point-blank saying, "You are lost," and leave it at that.

Honesty is a rare jewel.