purification after giving birth - Page 3

Esaias · #21 09-20-2016, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by allstate1

Yes. However some of the Bible is just history. I have read where some have tried to make a big deal out of the exact measurements of the Ark. No big mystery here. Just build a boat big enough to float all them dang animals. As far as the topic goes my Native American ancestors have always said it takes a womans body more time to completely recover from having a daughter than a son. So I believe this 40 day and 80 day time frame is only for the natural time a woman needs before becoming pregnant again.

Do you have kids? I've got seven. Girls don't take more out of Momma than boys do. If anything its likely to be the reverse as boys tend to be slightly larger.

allstate1 · #22 09-20-2016, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Do you have kids? I've got seven. Girls don't take more out of Momma than boys do. If anything its likely to be the reverse as boys tend to be slightly larger.

Yes I have kids. Not gonna argue with this point however you are incorrect. What I am referring to has nothing to do with the size of the child. It starts with two XX chromosomes instead of XY chromosomes. There are several studies on this subject. Although its still unproven theory its still a very interesting read when taking in account the scriptural context in Leveticus along with my Ancestors teaching. With my own observation, reading, etc etc I tend to agree.

good samaritan · #23 09-20-2016, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by allstate1

In this context of scripture the purification period and the offering had to be done before a woman could have sex again. Its not something we would normally practice today. However I believe its still a Jewish tradition. Making an issue out of these would be like asking all the males in your church if they are circumcised or not. Then to try to relate it to women not being submissive is kinda far fetched.

The scripture here says nothing about the time before she could have sex. It talks about her being unclean in regards to the amount of time that must pass before she can come again to the tabernacle of God. Other scriptures deal specifically about the guidelines to intercourse around the times of their menstruation, but this scripture doesn't mention it.

It is very unusual for a woman to continue in her blood for 80 days after having children. I have a son and a daughter and my wife recovered quicker with our daughter than she did our son. I think what you have heard is just old wives tails.

allstate1 · #24 09-20-2016, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

The scripture here says nothing about the time before she could have sex. It talks about her being unclean in regards to the amount of time that must pass before she can come again to the tabernacle of God. Other scriptures deal specifically about the guidelines to intercourse around the times of their menstruation, but this scripture doesn't mention it.

It is very unusual for a woman to continue in her blood for 80 days after having children. I have a son and a daughter and my wife recovered quicker with our daughter than she did our son. I think what you have heard is just old wives tails.

And I believe you are wrong. No disrespect intended. But why would she be considered ''unclean''?? Like I said the time frame is more complicated than just a menstrual cycle. Let me ask you this how long after each child was your wife's next cycle?? Was it longer after as son or after a daughter?? I bet you don't know.

KeptByTheWord · #25 09-20-2016, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

The scripture here says nothing about the time before she could have sex. It talks about her being unclean in regards to the amount of time that must pass before she can come again to the tabernacle of God. Other scriptures deal specifically about the guidelines to intercourse around the times of their menstruation, but this scripture doesn't mention it.

It is very unusual for a woman to continue in her blood for 80 days after having children. I have a son and a daughter and my wife recovered quicker with our daughter than she did our son. I think what you have heard is just old wives tails.

That is an interesting point... that the time of separation is not necessarily from s*x but from being able to go to the tabernacle and worship.

KeptByTheWord · #26 09-20-2016, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by allstate1

There is a scientific and medical explanation. Take a few minutes and research. Has nothing to do with submission. Geeeez where do yall come up with this stuff.

If you have the scientific and medical explanation, do share, links etc.

The submission issue was made obviously a secondary issue by the original poster, and I was just addressing it.

Esaias · #27 09-20-2016, 10:46 PM

This what I put into Google:

"does it take longer to recover from birthing a girl or boy"

I got tons of links to Jews debating this very issue, for some reason (!). I also got nonreligious links discussing recovery from childbirth, but could not find anything to substantiate the claim that giving birth to a female requires more biological recovery time than giving birth to a male.

I suspect the claim is bogus.

I did find this: http://www.medicaldaily.com/womb-mak...re-boys-285690 which suggests that girls might have an easier time in the womb and that boys may be more likely to have problems, but I do not see any connection to maternal recovery time.

The issue is one of ritual impurity, not "health", apparently.

Esaias · #28 09-20-2016, 10:48 PM

Meanwhile, here's a rabbinical take on it:

http://m.chabad.org/library/article_...nd-females.htm

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After having given birth to a baby boy, a woman must wait a minimum of seven days before beginning her pure days; while after a baby girl is born, she must wait a minimum of fourteen days. Since the female child inherently carries a higher degree of holiness, due to her own biological, life creating capability, a greater void, or tumah, remains after her birth. Thus, the greater tumah after a baby girl's birth reflects her greater capacity for holiness (due to her creative powers) and necessitates the longer wait to remove this ritual impurity."

Esaias · #29 09-20-2016, 10:51 PM

Another rabbinical take on it:

http://judaism.stackexchange.com/que...irth-to-a-girl

"The gemoro niddah 31b asks this question. The gemoro answers that tuma is dependant on when she will accept her husband back again. Rather a new notion for it. That the idea of tuma is to stop her being available for her husband so that he should not be able to 'force' or 'pressurise' her into it. And for a boy where everyone is pleased it is after seven days and for a girl fourteen."

mfblume · #30 09-21-2016, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by allstate1

Yes. However some of the Bible is just history. I have read where some have tried to make a big deal out of the exact measurements of the Ark. No big mystery here. Just build a boat big enough to float all them dang animals.

There is more to it than that, I believe. The Spirit instructed men to write what they did and do what they did. Is it a coincidence that the numbers associated with the ark are commonly used throughout the bible? 300, 50, 30. The tabernacle was shown in the book of Hebrews to be typological. And like the ark, it was divinely instructed to the cubit.

There always could be more to it than what our flesh sometimes considers. I believe God doesn't waste words about things that are irrelevant like the size of the ark if size is all that's involved. Who cares what size it is, in itself, really?

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As far as the topic goes my Native American ancestors have always said it takes a womans body more time to completely recover from having a daughter than a son. So I believe this 40 day and 80 day time frame is only for the natural time a woman needs before becoming pregnant again.

Could be.