Physical pain, Spiritual gain

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Yes. As does the gospel save us from our sins.

well, imo that is the least of what the Gospel does, K, not the most. That is Nehushtan.

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Originally Posted by allstate1

Now I see more clearly. The understanding that one will have pain, acute or chronic, during a lifetime and not get healed is my point. Accepting the fact that this pain will be part of your life until death IMO is a victory. After this acceptance you can focus on other things. Then you can truly say "through Christ alone..."

hmm. good points, prolly. like anything else, there is more than one way to perceive pain. if i run a marathon, i don't expect to not be in some acute pain afterward. But chronic pain? might be a sign?

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by shazeep

hmm. good points, prolly. like anything else, there is more than one way to perceive pain. if i run a marathon, i don't expect to not be in some acute pain afterward. But chronic pain? might be a sign?

A sign of what? Spiritual issues or physical?

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Originally Posted by allstate1

A sign of what? Spiritual issues or physical?

well, could be either one, i guess, i would not want to define it to the exclusion of anything else. But chronic 'physical' might even be expected, if one did...i dunno, some repetitive motion at work, or whatever, on a regular basis? But chronic pain, when one is unaware of the cause? i would def be looking spiritual imo. Iow if you can ID the cause of any pain, "this is the fruit of that," well that seems different than 'i am in pain, and i don't know why.'

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, could be either one, i guess, i would not want to define it to the exclusion of anything else. But chronic 'physical' might even be expected, if one did...i dunno, some repetitive motion at work, or whatever, on a regular basis? But chronic pain, when one is unaware of the cause? i would def be looking spiritual imo. Iow if you can ID the cause of any pain, "this is the fruit of that," well that seems different than 'i am in pain, and i don't know why.'

There is always a cause of true chronic pain.

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Originally Posted by allstate1

There is always a cause of true chronic pain.

true, but that doesn't mean that the cause is always known, does it? i have an old gf with twin daughters who get debilitating migraines, have for years, i guess. sweetest hearts you ever met, like missionary types. i can't figure it out, personally.

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by shazeep

true, but that doesn't mean that the cause is always known, does it? i have an old gf with twin daughters who get debilitating migraines, have for years, i guess. sweetest hearts you ever met, like missionary types. i can't figure it out, personally.

So is it spiritual or physical in your opinion?

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

I found out a few years ago that I had what is called a "SLAP" tear in my right shoulder and that the only way my right arm was going to work properly again was to have surgery.

I summoned the elders who anointed me in the name of the Lord. I lifted my hands in prayer. The Holy Spirit descended like a dove, and the voice of the Most High, as it were, came to me ever so sweetly and as it were, said "I'm going to heal your attitude..."

And in God's own gracious way, He let me know He wasn't going to touch my shoulder; rather He was going to touch my soul, and cause me to be able to maintain a righteous attitude about suffering physically through the trial.

And it was quite the trial. My wife and I had a two year old, and she was expecting. The birth of our son occurred merely days after I was finally allowed to take my sling off permanently. I still, however had lifting restrictions, and couldn't do much of anything to help my wife after she had given birth. I could only, if sitting, hold our son in my left hand and arm. Otherwise, I couldn't do chores, change diapers, or anything until several months had passed.

And that was merely the start of a whole new adventure in injury and pain and diagnoses, and etc. too long to detail in this post.

Pray for me. I'm going back to the Orthopedic Surgeon. My GP believes the labrum in my right shoulder is again damaged.

PS. A SLAP tear is a Superior Labrum Anterior Posterior tear in the cartilage where the 1.) greater humerus bone meets the ball and socket joint of the shoulder, and 2.) The long-head tendon from the bicep attaches to the shoulder joint at the top (i.e. superior) part of the labrum, and is torn front to back (i.e. anterior to posterior).

For more info: http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=A00627

Wow, that is quite a story that you have shared! Amazing how God let you know beforehand that it was to be a trial. I know that you walk close with the Lord, and are trusting Him in all of this. However, might I suggest, since you are considering another surgery to get a second opinion? I can recommend probably one of the most highly qualified shoulder surgeons in the world, who is a family friend. PM me if you would like to know more.

Regardless, I will be praying for you! God never takes us through the desert places without cultivating something mighty in and through us.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by YounginHope

I'll be praying for Gods will in this situation Votive. Glad you shared. Sounds horrific.

I'm a big strong man and my wife is a petite little lady so it looked bad when we went anywhere and she was toting my daughter or son. No one knew I could barely get around myself.

I was in a bad way with my back a couple years ago to the point of almost immobile. I have always refused treatment. I don't take medicines of any kind. No conviction there, just dont like the way it makes me feel. But this was it. Something had to be done. I was on my knees crying out to God and felt an overwhelming comfort rush through my body. For a couple months I felt like I had a new back. I guess it was just a loaner, lol. As I said before, I am thankful now for all that I've been through as this was what it took to reveal those things in me that hinder my walk with God.
2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness.

We cannot understand or know the mind of the Lord and what He chooses to use in our lives to bring us to a closer relationship with him. My husband does not like meds either, so I understand. Praise God for the healing that you received, even if for a time. I will be in prayer for you too... that the Lord will make known to you exactly the purpose He has in mind for all you've been through. Yes indeed we can praise God for His grace that is always sufficient.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by allstate1

There is always a cause of true chronic pain.

Yes, but finding out "what" can be the "million dollar question" sometimes. Our bodies are so amazingly complex.