Physical pain, Spiritual gain

YounginHope · #1 10-23-2016, 09:53 AM

So often (if not always) a problem or enduring pain in this physical life is an indication somethings changing or needing to be changed in your Spiritual walk. It happens to everyone and often. Sometimes it's not hardly noticeable and other times it shakes you to your core. But every time it opens a pathway to growth. I'm in awe when God gives me the opportunity to see it playing out in my life before my eyes. I think it's part of praying and God granting understanding about these things. If your dealing with something in your life in the physical realm whether it be at work, your spouse, or some kind of pain you better believe that it's also playing out in your spirit as well. And the good news is that both are used to further you on the path to a closer walk with God. We just usually think we had a bad day (or good one) when really we are having growing pains. And sometimes it's the only way we will change. And change is exactly what we need or trust me our kind, gentil, loving, and always merciful God would prevent us from ever seeing troubling times. Too often we fail to see what we are missing or we take our eye that is supposed to be single off of Him and place it on something else. Often we are not even aware we are doing this until it's already done. We feel as if we are doing what we can to have a walk with God. We did the same thing today as yesterday. Isn't that good enough? No. We are to be ever changing. We are the clay, not a finished vessel. And Jesus is the potter. And we never want him to take His hands off of us. But if we were finished, He would have no reason to continue molding and shaping us into what He desires us to be. See, that is where we are missing it when we start thinking we know what God has in store for us. Or that we know what we need and that our desires are Gods desires. And mercy is handed out here, too, when after we do all we can to see our desires play out instead of His we see that His desire for our life is much sweeter than what we wanted anyway. How patient is our God! He treats us like we are an only child that He's waited a lifetime to have and looks at us as if we never made a mistake, every time. Could you be mean or harm your own tiny little beautiful baby that you waited for ever for? God sees you as that baby once you become His. He loves you like that but even more. Let the desires of God play out in your life. Let Him make your path straight. It's what Paul did and was talking about 9And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
So Paul would rather have problems knowing God would see him through than to be free from trouble with the possibility of forgetting God. That's a big thing. Know what your asking when you desire to be close to God. You may think your ready but change is the only way. We think we see clearly that this path we walk is leading us to God and sometimes we are wondering around blindly. God will straighten your path if you don't resist and can see what's going on. We often began to fight against it at first not knowing change is needed. Gods not working against you, He's working on you, for you. Pray for understanding. Pray for knowledge.

I don't expect everyone here will agree with most of this. It is my experience and story dealing with severe lower back pain for a few years and realizing even this pain has a purpose?

shazeep · #2 10-23-2016, 10:56 AM

Truly deep, Y. Any pain is an indicator that change is needed. And we pray for the pain to be removed, when the pain is to indicate the change that is needed, that we refuse to hear. That is not a prayer of faith.

And when you pray, you are asking for pain, if you are praying correctly, because what you pray for must be in faith. So i tell you that you might have no pain, and pray a prayer in faith, expecting some gift, or miracle, but what you are going to get is invariably pain to you, because it is change that you are asking for, and changing self is not ever pleasant. Now, you are free to not hear the lesson that God sends you, in answer to your prayer; i have not heard a lesson 3, 5, 10 times, before i finally realized "oh; this is what i prayed for, but i was looking for a present. I was not looking for hearing that i needed to change."

Actually i don't know about 10 times, unless you kept praying in faith, and kept not hearing. But the point is that the answer to a prayer in faith is not going to come like...how did you say it? "...when we start thinking we know what God has in store for us. Or that we know what we need and that our desires are Gods desires."

this is My Grace is sufficient, for all your needs.

YounginHope · #3 10-23-2016, 11:24 AM

Amen. Yes.

And its not a "woe is me" moment for me as some might assume. I am beginning to appreciate that what I felt was unfair at a time has blossomed into blessings for my family who has watched from relative safety. It's taken me to some dark deep places I would have never explored within myself only to find that God was using me and knew too well I'd come out better than I went in. He was curing me of something I didn't know was wrong. He was appealing to my heart, I was petitioning for my body. I resisted as I am prone to do. I was always at a crossroad. I prayed for His Will and for a physical healing. His Will will suffice!

shazeep · #4 10-23-2016, 11:33 AM

amen. Pray, pray all you like, for physical healing. Read entire books written about prayers for healing, from people who do not know what they are talking about, and pray some more. Post your results here

Are you praying for a miracle? The miracle comes when you are able to hear, what you did not hear 1000 times before.

YounginHope · #5 10-23-2016, 12:25 PM

I wouldn't waste my time. If God wants me whole then He will make me whole. It was counter-productive for me to pray the way I was used to praying. We ask for strength, but what makes us strong? As soon as He starts working in us the things that need worked out we resist and start begging for mercy. We want a close walk with God but rarely are ready to accept the changes that are needed in order for that to happen. I personally ask God to reveal the things within me that might hinder my relationship with Him. I've plenty let me tell you. Now I need strength to make the changes He's revealed. Oh boy, I already know how we receive strength lol. I've actually considered not praying for strength before knowing how it is to be acquired. How selfish, huh?

YounginHope · #6 10-24-2016, 05:21 AM

Well, I thank God for His will. Knowing it is perfect and my desires are lacking if they don't line up with it. God help us all to more and more understand and keep Your will the object of our hearts and prayers.

shazeep · #7 10-24-2016, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by YounginHope

I wouldn't waste my time. If God wants me whole then He will make me whole.

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KeptByTheWord · #8 10-24-2016, 09:42 AM

I have always thought that this scripture was a powerful one.

Phil. 3:10-11
"That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death, if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead."

It is through the fellowship of his sufferings that our flesh learns to die here so that our spirit will live eternally with Him.

YounginHope · #9 10-24-2016, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

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Should've probably worded that different. But I mean to say that I wouldn't personally care to read the books about praying for healing. I was meaning to agree.

And I know God has the power to make me whole, yet I still ache. Leaving me with the conclusion that it is His will, for now, for me.

YounginHope · #10 10-24-2016, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I have always thought that this scripture was a powerful one.

Phil. 3:10-11
"That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death, if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead."

It is through the fellowship of his sufferings that our flesh learns to die here so that our spirit will live eternally with Him.

Amen