UPCI Mega Churches??? - Page 24

Barb · #**231** 12-04-2016, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Actually, no. It may fit both views but it is not purporting the trinity as the trinity is taught.

In fact, despite the author of it, we read...

The Godhead Three in One
Father Spirit Son
The Lion and the Lamb

The lion and lamb is JESUS in Revelation. It's not Father and Son. It's THE SON alone. So, by using the titles that refer to Jesus as SON after having stated God is Father, Spirit and Son, it actually implies Jesus is Father, Son and Holy GHost.

mfblume · #**232** 12-04-2016, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by houston

I don't think anyone refers to the Father as the lion.

I never said anyone did. That's my point.

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But, no. You can't make it yours. It's ours.

Sorry, I go by the book and the song does not violate the book.

allstate1 · #**233** 12-04-2016, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Your homosexual?

Not tonight!

Evang.Benincasa · #**234** 12-04-2016, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by allstate1

Not tonight!

Gross.

GodIsGreat · #**235** 12-04-2016, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Barb

"Witness?" Witness to what? I am still asking for PROOF that the elders in question KNOWINGLY allowed sin to abide in the music department.

Not what you THINK you saw, but hands on proof. Otherwise, your communication here is hearsay. Speculation. The gift of suspicion. A lie.

Barb, first you ask for me proof regarding the homosexual in question. Although I didn't give you his name.

You admitted that you knew exactly who I'm speaking of. Did you not?

Know that YOU proved that truth to YOURSELF. You now are asking me to prove that the ministry knew.

If I were to locate the church CD's and provide them to you, where we as a church was indirectly being ask to tolerate this, you still wouldn't believe me.

The ONLY "proof" that would satisfy you, is if YOU were there yourself.

Stop being so defensive over a situation you know nothing about.

You asked for proof about the homosexual. YOU proved it to YOURSELF ... now I'm absolutely wrong that the leadership didn't know.

With you, it's not about proof. It's about your idea of NJW and CMY, and your unwillingness to believe this truth.

What are the chances that I told a half truth? You proved a part of my "accusation" to be true.

Really?

GodIsGreat · #**236** 12-04-2016, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Barb

Thank you for the apology. Accepted.

Re your response above, as you didn't make a distinction between what I posted, and your answers to me, I was having a hard time following. So I am not going to hit every point...just to say this re the song 'How Great Is Our God...'

TRC must have changed the lyric since that time you heard it because I heard it on Live stream a few months ago, and they changed that line. I can't recall exactly how they worded it, however, it was changed.

As for that song, I am Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal to the bone, but have no problem singing that line. Whatever the doctrinal stand of the composer, I understand God to be Father, Spirit, Son...ONE God.

The fact that Bishop Wilson may have sung that lyric indicates to you he is less than Oneness...that just proves to me that you have indeed not gleaned anything in his presence. He most definitely is Oneness through and through.

And as you and I are not EVER going to come to an understanding on TRC, it is best that we not continue to march around this mountain forever. Having said that, I will step up when I see you posting things in the future that I feel to be remarks by a disgruntled saint, with no facts supporting.

YOU said that YOU knew exactly who the homosexual is. What I said about the a homosexual being the music director IS FACT.

Barb, that song was written by a trinity believer (Chris Thomlin) in 2004.

Do you really believe that Chris Thomlin was writing about what we believe, or about what HE believes as a trinity believer?

So Barb, are you oneness to the bone by tradition, or by YOUR personal revelation of who God is?

The Bible is CLEAR:

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Here are Chris Thomlin's Lyrics:

The Godhead Three in One <---- That Barb is trinitarian
Father, Spirit, Son
Lion and the Lamb
Lion and the Lamb

Yes, TRC has changed the words to the song, after a young adult who played in service, took a stand and refused to sing that song.

That young adult was the final straw.

Their is enough people in TRC who ACTUALLY know what they say they believe, and their were a few people who made enough of a issue with it.

You might want to read:

God in 13 Dimensions
The Supreme Godhead

Author: Kenneth Reeves

Two of the BEST oneness books.

When you have a revelation of the Godhead, it's become impossible to agree or see nothing wrong with that line by Chris Thomlin.

Beautiful song, but NOT completely true.

My apologies on how I replied to you. I know my reply is quite confusing.

This is the most active I have ever been in a forum, and I really don't know how to do the multi-quote thingy.

GodIsGreat · #**237** 12-04-2016, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Gross.

Dude, what's up with you and this homo stuff. Chill!

mfblume · #**238** 12-04-2016, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GodIsGreat

Barb, that song was written by a trinity believer (Chris Thomlin) in 2004.

Do you really believe that Chris Thomlin was writing about what we believe, or about what HE believes as a trinity believer?

So Barb, are you oneness to the bone by tradition, or by YOUR personal revelation of who God is?

The Bible is CLEAR:

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Here are Chris Thomlin's Lyrics:

The Godhead Three in One <---- That Barb is trinitarian
Father, Spirit, Son
Lion and the Lamb
Lion and the Lamb

Yes, TRC has changed the words to the song, after a young adult who played in service, took a stand and refused to sing that song.

That young adult was the final straw.

Their is enough people in TRC who ACTUALLY know what they say they believe, and their were a few people who made enough of a issue with it.

You might want to read:

God in 13 Dimensions
The Supreme Godhead

Author: Kenneth Reeves

Two of the BEST oneness books.

When you have a revelation of the Godhead, it's become impossible to agree or see nothing wrong with that line by Chris Thomlin.

Beautiful song, but NOT completely true.

My apologies on how I replied to you. I know my reply is quite confusing.

This is the most active I have ever been in a forum, and I really don't know how to do the multi-quote thingy.

It is not necessarily trinitarian. Trinitarian says THREE PERSONS in one God. the song never said persons. Father, Son and Holy Ghost are three "somethings" but not persons. Call them offices, roles or manifestations, but those three are one God. We could even say those three are one person. And the song does not violate that at all.

And I have a genuine revelation of oneness. Was thrilled when I got it about 40 years ago.

In fact some trinitarians I know refuse to say THREE IN ONE, but refer to Jesus as ONE IN THREE.

mfblume · #**239** 12-04-2016, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GodIsGreat

Dude, what's up with you and this homo stuff. Chill!

You defending homos, too???

j/k

GodIsGreat · #**240** 12-04-2016, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

I disagree. I think oneness people are too worried about the word three. These three are one.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

According to David k Bernard's book 'The Oneness of God', he said that
1 John 5:7 was placed in the Bible after the council of nicea.

I have never studied it out. So I don't personally know if this is true.

I do know that line in that song is not oneness.