UPCI Mega Churches???

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by GodIsGreat

You are quick buddy! Please don't tell me that you receive a email alert when someone replies to this thread or your post.?.

Gossip? Is not 99.8% of everything AFF gossip?

Nope, just happened to be reading the forum and saw your post.

And I notice you didn't deny the accusation, you just tried to deflect it.

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Which party, the one in Sodom?

yep!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by allstate1

yep!

Oh, so Bro. Epley was right?

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Oh, so Bro. Epley was right?

seems to be!

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by allstate1

seems to be!

And you seem to have been struck spiritually blind.

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Church populations are far more interesting than sexual sins, real or otherwise.

Depends on who you ask!

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

And you seem to have been struck spiritually blind.

how so?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by allstate1

how so?

Your homosexual?

[Barb]

Originally Posted by GodIsGreat

Just to clarify bud. I wasn't expecting you or anyone else to do anything.

I didn't have to do any "legwork", I was a witness.

"Witness?" Witness to what? I am still asking for PROOF that the elders in question KNOWINGLY allowed sin to abide in the music department.

Not what you THINK you saw, but hands on proof. Otherwise, your communication here is hearsay. Speculation. The gift of suspicion. A lie.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by GodIsGreat

In case you are wondering why I am laying your feet to the fire, let me share MY history with you...

Bro. Wilson was my pastor here in Michigan. Even as a young man, NJW was a man of strong character and integrity. I loved and respected his leadership, and do so today.

Do I think he walks on water? No! There are a few incidentals where he and I disagree, but I NEVER, not for one second, then or now doubted his deep sincerity and love for the lost.

Re degrees...Bishop Wilson has always encouraged education, but NEVER at the expense of truth and evangelism. If that is what you have gleaned from your time in his presence, you have missed much.

Barb, this is not all I gleaned from my time in his presence. However, when a man says that a city will be won when they see that everyone in the church has high level degree's, and mentions nothing about what established the apostolic movement here in the US (mind you he spoke quite awhile after he made that statement).

The focused was on the city being won because of a church full of members who have degrees.

He made this statement days after Pastor Young made almost the identical statement.

I was shocked! Just like I was shocked when as church (only a few saints refused to) we stood hands lifted in the air singing "the God head 3 in 1, father, spirit, son".

I happen to know why I believe what I believe. Just because NJW had his hands lifted and singing a trinity song, doesn't make it right.

I can truely go on and on. I mentioned less than 5 % of things that I witness, which have gone on uncorrected.

As for the unnamed musical director...no need to do so. I know his name. HOWEVER, if you think that was known AND tolerated, you are GREATLY mistaken!!! NJW would NEVER knowingly allow that to happen...NEVER!!

How do you know this Barb?

No disrespect here, but I don't give a rolling donut how long you were or have been a member of the TRC...coming here with your definite ax to grind with Bishop Wilson and Bro. Young is mighty low.

And, the untold things that happen, which I will not mentioned on this forum is not low?

All of this leads me to ask: Why? What brings you here to accuse men of God of such things?

Barb, like I said before I barely mentioned anything about all that has took place. I mentioned in my reply to EB, that I was actually looking for someone who could relate, or even provide another perspective.

Did they not shake your hand one Sunday evening? Did Bishop or Bro. Young stop you in your tracks over a misdeed? Did they not move swift enough in the case of the aforementioned situation from back in the day? Did they deliver a Word from the Lord, and you took it personally as an attack?

I'm not the saint your thinking of. I'm not a simple saint who is easily offended. I probably shook Bishops hand less than 20 times and Pastors hand less than 30. I've been there many years without a handshake for many Sundays.

No misdeed at all.

I barely ever came to them about anything.

As far as feeling like I was personal attacked, no. Was I offended at something they preached, no. TRC is a very easy church to be saved at with regards to the preaching. I have been convicted by God through the preaching, but never offended at the preaching or preach for what they preached.

Some people allow people to know them a certain way, and allow others to see them in a total different light.

Anytime I think I see something or "just know something is a particular way", the very first thing I do is challenge my perception of the situation. If it's important enough, I'll flip it several different ways, and try to see it from another light.

What is up?

Here's the deal... this "cowgirl" has a suggestion

I owe you an apology. I shouldn't have called you a cowgirl. I don't know you, your age, or anything else. So I sincerely apologize for calling you a cowgirl.

...give them a call.

I'm not going to give them a call. No, I'm not afraid. It'll be a waste of time.

Be as open and upfront with the elders, in the same manner you have here. Give them a list of your grips.

Barb, I won't tell "my list of grips" to them. I'll pray through and move on.

Tell them they are arrogant snobs, because that is what you really think, right?

Not exactly. I don't believe that their arrogant snobs. I don't believe that NJW is a arrogant snob. However, I do believe that CMY is.

Tell them you think they tolerated homosexuality for the sake of music...oh I would LOVE to hear their answer to that!!

Unfortunately Barb, that reason is the same reason preachers have givin highly creditable evangelist who confronted them after God showed it to the evangelist in prayer. Some preachers have even lied to the evangelist to keep the person playing music for the church.

You act as if it doesn't happen.

Thank you for the apology. Accepted.

Re your response above, as you didn't make a distinction between what I posted, and your answers to me, I was having a hard time following. So I am not going to hit every point...just to say this re the song 'How Great Is Our God...'

TRC must have changed the lyric since that time you heard it because I heard it on Live stream a few months ago, and they changed that line. I can't recall exactly how they worded it, however, it was changed.

As for that song, I am Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal to the bone, but have no problem singing that line. Whatever the doctrinal stand of the composer, I understand God to be Father, Spirit, Son...ONE God.

The fact that Bishop Wilson may have sung that lyric indicates to you he is less than Oneness...that just proves to me that you have indeed not gleaned anything in his presence. He most definitely is Oneness through and through.

And as you and I are not EVER going to come to an understanding on TRC, it is best that we not continue to march around this mountain forever. Having said that, I will step up when I see you posting things in the future that I feel to be remarks by a disgruntled saint, with no facts supporting.