Church Growth - Stagnation

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Here's a link to this house church network that has truly blessed me and opened my eyes to what can be done through house churching. I have visited and still tend to visit several different house churches within their network. They are a great bunch of people and they really love Jesus. Yes, I think they need to be shown more light. But I've seen God move among them in spite of any doctrinal differences we might have with them. Here's their link:

http://www.apexcommunity.org/who-we-are/

I understand what Aquila said. Apex is NOT his home church. He's visited it, and noted they "need to be shown more light," but it is not his main house church.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by n david

I understand what Aquila said. Apex is NOT his home church. He's visited it, and noted they "need to be shown more light," but it is not his main house church.

Yes, I misunderstood what he was saying.

I notice he uses the same kind of terminology in reference to the apostolic house church he visits. I'm not sure he recognizes personal membership in any particular local assembly, he instead floats around various trinitarian and oneness house churches?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Rob Turner, eh?

"Apex Family,

On Sunday, November 20 we held a meeting with the Elders and Turners to provide an opportunity for our Apex family to have a time of prayer, care, and healing. Back in July we made the announcement that Rob Turner, our Teaching Lead Pastor and Region 1 Elder, was immediately removed from his ministry and elder responsibilities due to his confession of a long-standing sexual sin (to read more about that announcement from July, click here). "

From http://www.apexcommunity.org/night-w...rs-and-turners

How'd you miss that one, Aquila?

I have to say, I'm really impressed with the transparency of Apex in dealing with this situation. I mean they put everything out there, including the audio of the meeting and the letters from those involved.

I wish all churches were this transparent and open in cases like these. Unfortunately, most try to bury or hide it behind closed doors.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by n david

I have to say, I'm really impressed with the transparency of Apex in dealing with this situation. I mean they put everything out there, including the audio of the meeting and the letters from those involved.

I wish all churches were this transparent and open in cases like these. Unfortunately, most try to bury or hide it behind closed doors.

Years ago when Christ Church Nashville had a minister on staff with a moral failure I was shocked at how transparent leadership was. The church was told from the pulpit what had happened and then periodically on midweek services would update on the situation. I was used to things being either hushed up, covered up, or ignored like nothing had happened.

[LifeGuide]

Originally Posted by CC1

Years ago when Christ Church Nashville had a minister on staff with a moral failure I was shocked at how transparent leadership was. The church was told from the pulpit what had happened and then periodically on midweek services would update on the situation. I was used to things being either hushed up, covered up, or ignored like nothing had happened.

Years ago, I was an apostolic rep at an event Rob Turner spoke at and was thoroughly impressed with his sincerity and transparency. Def not the norm. I will be praying for both he and his family.

Unfortunately, this type of response is not the norm in our movement. The usual response is move along, nothing to see here. The result 99% of the time is confusion and hurt in the body that usually results in fragmentation...I've seen it one too many times. While I don't endorse everything taught by Rick Warren. I did hear a statement he made regarding a situation like this st Saddleback years ago. "Sin must be confessed as far as it effects". It leaves no room for gossip or hearsay but instead brings light to the darkness. I wholeheartedly agree.

CC1-I've heard it said that Pastor Hardwick is a pastors pastor.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by LifeGuide

CC1-I've heard it said that Pastor Hardwick is a pastors pastor.

I remember looking at my wife after a service at Christ Church a few years after we had been there and told her my only regret was that we were getting to sit under his ministry so late in his life. He was a great pastor and an amazing man. He became the pastor at age 19 and pastored the same church for over 50 years.

One of my ultra conservative pastor friends who disagrees doctrinally on just about every thing with LH Hardwick told me one time that he had never heard anything negative about the man himself. He had a sterling reputation with everyone. I don't mean to be talking about him in the past tense because he is very much alive but just retired and I am speaking about his time as a pastor.