It's Your Fault People Are Homosexual

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Aquila

It wouldn't be just for God to visit the iniquity of the fathers upon their descendants unless the actual sin was indeed present. Epigenetics scientifically shows that we actually do carry the choices and sciences of our ancestors, and that these tags indeed do predispose us to various behaviors, both natural and sinful. Evidence of sins effect on our very nature.

Not that the Bible needs it, but it does validate so much about our sinful nature, and our innate proclivity towards sin and other behaviors. It also should cause us to pause, considering what our choices and experiences could affect our own descendants.

It really puts a deeper perspective on sin. No man is an island.

The short and simple of it all, in my opinion, is that if we had to know it God would have mentioned in in the word.

[Aquila]

I think that the previous century emphasized psychology and behavior. Prominent Christian leaders became Christian psychologists. We assumed that all all behaviors were picked up from the environment. So we focused on creating the "perfect environment" thinking we could shape behavior. But...it still doesn't work more times than not. Various behaviors often simply manifest. Counselors beat their heads against brick walls as they try to help someone will to change. Youth and others try, and try to modify behavior, only to fail for the 10,000th time. Some lose hope and give up, others even go as far as killing themselves. Scientists watch this from from the sidelines, realizing that there is something innate that mere will power cannot defeat. Enter genetics, and epigenetics.

Studies on how genetic information effects health, hormones (which effect a broad range of behaviors) are changing the landscape of what used to be focused on environment, psychology, and will power are now pointing us to...our nature. And interestingly, this confirms what the Bible has said all along. We're at war with our fallen, twisted up, sinful, nature.

Those still thinking in terms of the last century's psychology alone, are clinging to an old paradigm. It's time we stop telling people, it's all in their heads. It's time to tell them, their problem is in their very nature. Beginning with the sin of Adam, to their own biological father, they are a culmination of every righteous and sinful choice ever made by their ancestors. They bear the blessings and cursing of those experiences. The only answer is to be supernaturally set free. No amount of counseling, behavior modification therapy, will, or effort can do it. They need a supernatural experience. And not only can they be set free, but they can begin overwriting their family's story.

This emphasizes a need for grace, spiritual regeneration, renewal of the mind, and healing. It can help us get away from telling sinners it's all in their heads, which is dangerously close to will worship.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Generational curses: God visits the iniquities of the fathers upon the children unto the 3rd and 4th generation OF THOSE WHO HATE HIM. He bestows mercy upon THOUSANDS of THOSE WHO LOVE AND OBEY HIM.

If you love and obey God, He does NOT visit the iniquities of your ancestors upon you.

The mercy implies the sin is there, and that God would be just to visit judgment upon any generation for their fathers sin, if the people had not turned to Him. Mercy is not getting what you rightfully deserve. They deserve God's judgments for their own sin and the sins of their fathers. But their repentance has caused Him to relent. Oh how great are God's mercies.

[Aquila]

This can also shed new light on what some have called God's endorsement of, or commands regarding, genocide. (geno-cide)

When God is at war with sin, He may wipe out an entire people, even infants. This disturbs and appalls some of tender hearted disposition. But if we understood the vile abominations that are essentially passed down and inherent in an infant's genome, we might better understand what God sees when looking at those infants. The actual sins and abominations of the fathers are indeed present, just waiting to manifest.

The fearsome judgment is perfectly just.

So, when God chooses to have mercy...how truly profound it is.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Aquila

This can also shed new light on what some have called God's endorsement of, or commands regarding, genocide. (geno-cide)

I personally do not thing science can add ANY light on ANYTHING in the bible. The bible is self-contained and needs nothing additional to it to help us understand the spiritual. Same with antichrist and Koran.

Things outside the spiritual.... sure. But that's all.

We either believe the bible contains all we need for spiritual understanding or not. Which is it?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

The short and simple of it all, in my opinion, is that if we had to know it God would have mentioned in in the word.

Originally Posted by mfblume

I personally do not thing science can add ANY light on ANYTHING in the bible. The bible is self-contained and needs nothing additional to it to help us understand the spiritual. Same with antichrist and Koran.

Things outside the spiritual.... sure. But that's all.

We either believe the bible contains all we need for spiritual understanding or not. Which is it?

Thank you Brother Blume for the fresh air.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Thank you Brother Blume for the fresh air.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Aquila

It wouldn't be just for God to visit the iniquity of the fathers upon their descendants unless the actual sin was indeed present. Epigenetics scientifically shows that we actually do carry the choices and sciences of our ancestors, and that these tags indeed do predispose us to various behaviors, both natural and sinful. Evidence of sins effect on our very nature.

Not that the Bible needs it, but it does validate so much about our sinful nature, and our innate proclivity towards sin and other behaviors. It also should cause us to pause, considering what our choices and experiences could affect our own descendants.

It really puts a deeper perspective on sin. No man is an island.

https://youtu.be/0dexJZH9bt0

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I personally do not thing science can add ANY light on ANYTHING in the bible. The bible is self-contained and needs nothing additional to it to help us understand the spiritual. Same with antichrist and Koran.

Things outside the spiritual.... sure. But that's all.

We either believe the bible contains all we need for spiritual understanding or not. Which is it?

While I believe the Bible contains all that man needs regarding salvation, I do not see any reason why science can't help us understand various biblical subjects.

Archeology is a science. And it has shed much light on the Bible.

So, Bro. Blume, since you don't seek to reconcile any science with Scripture... what is your take on epigenetics?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by mfblume

The short and simple of it all, in my opinion, is that if we had to know it God would have mentioned in in the word.

I don't believe we have to know anything about genetics. But I do find it fascinating when scientists "discover" something about us that was technically a concept taught from Scripture for nearly 2,000 years.