Brother Ken Raggio 4 Global Minds

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Sean

....Left behind and doomed.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

Again, Paul in 1 Thes 4 is quoting Jesus in Matt 24.....15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord...


I have heard for decades that Paul had a personal revelation of this event.

That is completely false.

Paul quoted Jesus in a statement that was common knowledge among the Apostles and saints already, as per Jesus in Matt 24.

Sean, why didn’t you explain Luke’s rendition of Matthew 24?

Sean, you stink as any kind of Bible teacher.
You cherry pick all over the place and try to link verses which don’t correspond with each other. Deal with those being taken to where Jesus said they would be taken. To be piled up as vulture food.

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sean, why didn’t you explain Luke’s rendition of Matthew 24?

Sean, you stink as any kind of Bible teacher.
You cherry pick all over the place and try to link verses which don’t correspond with each other. Deal with those being taken to where Jesus said they would be taken. To be piled up as vulture food.

Do you believe that rapture happened allready? If yes consider this:Even if some prophesies are fulfilled on those days ,that does not means that they are just for those times:
Isaiah 8:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
We know that this prophesy (like many other,including psalms) is refering to a event that was accomplished on their days.
But Mathew see the full accomplishment of this prophesy in the days of Jesus.
So with that in mind we know that many prophesies have some early and some late accomplishment . I call them "double prophesies"

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by peter83

Do you believe that rapture happened allready? If yes consider this:Even if some prophesies are fulfilled on those days ,that does not means that they are just for those times:
Isaiah 8:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
We know that this prophesy (like many other,including psalms) is refering to a event that was accomplished on their days.
But Mathew see the full accomplishment of this prophesy in the days of Jesus.
So with that in mind we know that many prophesies have some early and some late accomplishment . I call them "double prophesies"

Isaiah 8:14 was fulfilled in the days of Isaiah?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by peter83

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Exactly.

Christianity is in its downhill spiral.

The 1st century church is nearly impossible to attain because of false teachings.

No church body measures up to the 1st century doctrine and experience, which was foretold to preclude antichrists' coming.

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Isaiah 8:14 was fulfilled in the days of Isaiah?

14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

No but what with that? I said as an example that when God promised freedom in Israel and that "he will be with them" he did it but Emmanuel full prophesy was fulfilled in Jesus.
Do you understand what i mean?
For example many psalms of David spoke about their king yet was fulfilled in Jesus.
So you believe rapture and second coming happened at 70 BC?

[Sean]

Lukes rendition of Matt 24....



Jesus speaks of future events....



6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

This causes them to question Him further...


7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?


Jesus speaks of end time events first....


8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.


Then Jesus speaks of immediate to soon coming events....


12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.




Then, as Israel falls captive into hands of the gentiles, Jesus, after the times of the gentiles are fulfilled, continues His discourse of the end time events....



25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

[Sean]

Then....



7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.




Even the blind inhabitants of earth will be healed of blindness per Isaiah 35......every eye will see him.

[Sean]

34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.




The folks will be taken away by birds?...LOL


No the deceased left behind to perish will be eaten by birds.

[Sean]

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.




Bingo!