Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy

[n david]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Bride beater? That's the only alternative? Either the pre trib rapture or God's a bride-beater?

If you believe the church remains during the great tribulation of God's wrath, then, yes, God becomes a bride beater and abusive spouse.

Do you beat your wife, Esaias?

[Sean]

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.



Is there a passage in the book of Rev that can contextually match this passage?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Originalist

And where exactly is this digression? In what verse does it begin?

read above, post 325.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

Same with Luke's account.

And there is no rapture mentioned at all!

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Sean

I have seen some very miserable post trib saints(pessimistic), in which most of them are in a spiritual "lock down" mode by their pastors.

Oh so you know Jesus name Pastors who teach post trib? Would you be kind enough to post their names and what town they are in? I only am aware of 5. Im sure there are more somewhere.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.



Is there a passage in the book of Rev that can contextually match this passage?

THAT day.

What day is that, Sean?

And you obviously don't understand Revelation.

[Sean]

Day/hour of the rapture.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Oh so you know Jesus name Pastors who teach post trib? Would you be kind enough to post their names and what town they are in? I only am aware of 5. Im sure there are more somewhere.

My wife's uncle was one. I know all about the church.

I meet others' congregants from time to time...they are depressing folks. I post no personal names on the internet anymore.

I got beat up for doing that.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Originalist

And there is no rapture mentioned at all!

That makes you happy?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by n david

If you believe the church remains during the great tribulation of God's wrath, then, yes, God becomes a bride beater and abusive spouse.

Do you beat your wife, Esaias?

This is why I never could believe the rapture cult - they can't present a simple, cogent, Biblical argument for their doctrine. "Do you beat your wife?"

This is why rapturists ARE NOT SAVED. They begin with a personal belief, a feeling, an emotional "conviction", a personal opinion... and then interpret the Bible to fit their personal opinion. This is the hallmark of heresies. A clear indicator that one does NOT have a "love for the truth". If the Bible flat out said "The Church is on earth during the tribulation" they wouldn't believe God Himself because it would conflict with their personal opinions and feelings. They believe whatever they believe because it makes them feel better, NOT because it is TRUTH. You cannot be saved as long as you refuse to yield to the WORD OF GOD, as long as you hold to your vain traditions against the Word of God.

And thus they have been given a strong delusion. NOTHING can be the mark of the beast as long as they haven't been raptured yet.

THINK ABOUT THAT. Think about the consequences of such an approach. Such persons are practically GUARANTEED TO TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST because they believe that NO MATTER WHAT'S GOING ON, it can't be the mark they need to refuse because muh rapture derp derp.

Such persons are prime candidates for being deceived by the mystery of lawlessness because muh rapture derp derp.

If God warns everyone "Don't Do X or you will perish" and you believe that it is IMPOSSIBLE for X to happen BEFORE you get raptured out of the earth then it is almost a sure thing you will "do X".