Pastors or Life Coaches?

[thephnxman]

His NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You have fellowship with the saints, we all do. But, when asked to define what that actually looks like it is simple. Do you all fellowship in a house, or a "church" building?

One day a denominational pastor asked me a similar question. However:
YES. In a house(s); and in a building(s).


You don't intend to stalk me now, do you? LOL

Now, Would you like to comment or state your opinion on the issue at hand.
Where do you stand on the 501(c)3 post?


Brother Villa

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

His NAME is Jesus!



One day a denominational pastor asked me a similar question. However:
YES. In a house(s); and in a building(s).


You don't intend to stalk me now, do you? LOL

Now, Would you like to comment or state your opinion on the issue at hand.
Where do you stand on the 501(c)3 post?


Brother Villa

Not stalking or even intrapping you with questions. But 501c3 is only one tax exemption. You would be surprised what your rights are in this country. Anyway, my explanation is based on a legitimate answer from you. Houses are buildings, wonderful. Now that we cleared that up, could you tell me if you all only meet in houses, or have what is culturally called a church building?

[thephnxman]

His NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Not stalking or even intrapping you with questions. But 501c3 is only one tax exemption. You would be surprised what your
rights are in this country. Anyway, my explanation is based on a legitimate answer from you. Houses are buildings, wonderful.
Now that we cleared that up, could you tell me if you all only meet in houses, or have what is culturally called a church building?

NO, I WOULD NOT be surprised.
Why do you think I would be surprised? Is my 8th grade education showing?
Some folks think I went higher than the 9th grade. It's true! But, I guess some
might think I didn't even make it through grade school. Oh, well.

Tell me, did my "legitimate answer" truly come from a legitimate question? Or
did my post offend you: even though I named no names. But let's REALLY
clear that up: do you want to know what I truly believe, or is it that you don't
want to offend me and are just asking in a round-about way? Or could it
be that you believe that the 501(c)3 program is not really there to entice the
Church to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Legitimate
does not equate to righteousness. A city, county, state, etc., may legalize
prostitution; however, that does not make prostitution morally acceptable,
or righteous. But I'm sure you know that.

Honest questions deserve honest answers.

Brother Villa

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

His NAME is Jesus!



NO, I WOULD NOT be surprised.
Why do you think I would be surprised? Is my 8th grade education showing?
Some folks think I went higher than the 9th grade. It's true! But, I guess some
might think I didn't even make it through grade school. Oh, well.

Tell me, did my "legitimate answer" truly come from a legitimate question? Or
did my post offend you: even though I named no names. But let's REALLY
clear that up: do you want to know what I truly believe, or is it that you don't
want to offend me and are just asking in a round-about way? Or could it
be that you believe that the 501(c)3 program is not really there to entice the
Church to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Legitimate
does not equate to righteousness. A city, county, state, etc., may legalize
prostitution; however, that does not make prostitution morally acceptable,
or righteous. But I'm sure you know that.

Honest questions deserve honest answers.

Brother Villa

OK, you don't want to answer me.

Good grief

[houston]

Good grief

[thephnxman]

His NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

OK, you don't want to answer me.

Good grief

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

Tell me, did my "legitimate answer" truly come from a legitimate question? Or
did my post offend you: even though I named no names.
But let's REALLY
clear that up:
1) do you want to know what I truly believe, or is it that you don't want to
offend me and are just asking in a round-about way?
2) Or could it be that you believe that the 501(c)3 program is not really there to
entice the Church to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
3) Legitimate does not equate to righteousness. A city, county, state, etc., may
legalize prostitution; however, that does not make prostitution morally acceptable,
or righteous.

You KNOW that. So will you give us an answer?

Brother Villa

[Evang.Benincasa]

Whatever.

Back to the topic of the forum.

Sorry Elder Blume.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Is it me or are pastors nowadays actually more like life coaches and motivational speakers, instead of shepherds of flocks toward spiritual maturity? It's like psychologists rather than real Spritual leaders.

Will you contrast the two, so I can see what you mean? Such like:

Pastors do:

1.)
2.)
3.)

Life coaches/motivational speakers do:

A.)
B.)
C.)

Or something similar?

Thanks.

[mfblume]

Pastors do:

1.) Led by the Spirit and receive revelation of words to minister to congregation.
2.) Rebuke, correct as well as encourage, edify and emphasize spirituality and denial of self and leading of Spirit.
3.) Teach how to overcome sin, satan, the world, our own flesh.
4.) Lead congregation to allow the Spirit of God to live and work through them, and to hear from God, while learning how to put flesh, and what self thinks we should do, out of the way and aside from the guidance of the Spirit.
5.) Operate in supernatural gifts of the Spirit.
6.) Preach the word of God and focus on issues the Word focuses on: Primarily who we are and what we can do based solely on the work of the cross in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, in ways that cannot be done through an unregenerate soul.
7.) Explain how to be strengthened by the Spirit, with conscious reliance on God's strength solely made possible because of the atonement made by the work of the cross.
8.) Minister in a level and ability that folks without God's Spirit baptism cannot minister.
9.) Focus on glorifying Christ, and perhaps having to suffer for His name's sake.

Life coaches/motivational speakers do:

A.) Focus on psychologically-based encouragement.
B.) Not hear from God or guided by revelation of the Spirit, but by what psychology determines people should hear and learn. Determining from our own wisdom and intellect what to administer.
C.) Entertain the flesh with no presence of God's supernatural work manifested.
D.) Basically, minister to people without the need of the Spirit's inspiration and empowerment, as anyone in secular motivational circles, who might even be atheists, can do.
E.) Focusing on uplifting self.


...Something like that.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Why the 50s? You think William Branham’s hokus pokus was one of the starts?

50s at the latest. By then the WW2 propaganda was in full swing and we entered the Truman Show. The 30s saw the beginning of the darkening of western man's intellect, IMO. I mean, bank holiday, turn in your gold, half off special, we need to invade Europe, Ford propping up the Soviet military machine....

Sunset in America, now folks are being amazed by the twinkling lights in the sky.

Prior to the 30s it seems there was at least some semblance of rationality in society.