Questions about the half shekel/temple offering.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Are you saying you have pastored for quite a while?

I'm an evangelist also an elder in the church family.

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Which of the messages on giving would you say are most true to scripture, and which are least scripturally bases?

I already posted it in the other thread. I never got the revelation of half shekel full Denarius, or the give up all you own and eat granola with Yoneq doctrines.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I'm an evangelist also an elder in the church family.



I already posted it in the other thread. I never got the revelation of half shekel full Denarius, or the give up all you own and eat granola with Yoneq doctrines.

I guess I’m ignorant of the full denarius doctrine too. Could you elaborate?

Also, in a heads up comparison of the half shekel and the tithe doctrine, (I’m aware all tithe doctrines are not the same), which is more true to scripture, and why?

And if you could start from scratch, with a brand new church and you are the pastor, what would you teach for a giving doctrine?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

I guess I’m ignorant of the full denarius doctrine too. Could you elaborate?

Also, in a heads up comparison of the half shekel and the tithe doctrine, (I’m aware all tithe doctrines are not the same), which is more true to scripture, and why?

And if you could start from scratch, with a brand new church and you are the pastor, what would you teach for a giving doctrine?

There is no such thing as the full Denari doctrine. That's my humor. I posted how we do it at our church family. I never ask for needs or offering from over the pulpit. No velvet sock with handle or golden plate is passed. No one is preached up or down to give, God provides. If you don't want to give, or you don't have to give, or want to give as much as you are capable it is between you and Jesus. You know all about OT Tithing? Then you know how Israel would neglect the Levites to the point where the Levites had to forsake their duties and take care of themselves Deuteronomy 12:19, Nehemiah 10:37-39, Nehemiah 13:10. The Bible teaches us that those who were expected to follow the Law, and precepts of God really just viewed these rules and observances as something that could be loopholed to death. Hence the reason the Pharisees created volumes of Talmud to get around the Law of God. To this day we have more doctrines then you could shake a stick at. If the Internet taught us anything that it gave a platform to the disgruntled and cranky. Those who always wanted to be able to voice their opinion and knock down the preacher. Always under the guise of "wanting to be Biblically correct" but while they hold tightly to their "Bible Truth" they themselves have doctrines which are not their candy stick but are as false as a rubber chicken. Therefore while some would like to filet the pastor for his teaching on tithes and offering, they themselves have multiple heretical planks in their eyes. Yet, truth should be conveyed, but listen, you have a hodgepodge of beliefs and maybe even myths held by individuals for years. It takes time for anyone to see anything. But there are those who believe in something because they were told it by those they love, or elders who they respected. We come along all bright eyed and bushy tailed thinking we are going to give manna from the keyboard, but ends up being stench and death to their nostrils. These brothers and sisters aren't wicked for teaching something they were once told. They are sincerely ignorant, but doing it with sincerity.

Where you have someone who knows better, because they really know the truth but are doing that which is false. Then you have a problem. The Judean Rabbis in the first century totally understood who Jesus was. Nicodemus indicates that in John. So, we have to consider things before anyone burns Brother Pylant in effigy, we have to consider somethings. So, instead of walking Brother Pylant off the the plank to the righteous ecclesiastical sharks below. Just teach what you think about tithing.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

There is no such thing as the full Denari doctrine. That's my humor. I posted how we do it at our church family. I never ask for needs or offering from over the pulpit. No velvet sock with handle or golden plate is passed. No one is preached up or down to give, God provides. If you don't want to give, or you don't have to give, or want to give as much as you are capable it is between you and Jesus. You know all about OT Tithing? Then you know how Israel would neglect the Levites to the point where the Levites had to forsake their duties and take care of themselves Deuteronomy 12:19, Nehemiah 10:37-39, Nehemiah 13:10. The Bible teaches us that those who were expected to follow the Law, and precepts of God really just viewed these rules and observances as something that could be loopholed to death. Hence the reason the Pharisees created volumes of Talmud to get around the Law of God. To this day we have more doctrines then you could shake a stick at. If the Internet taught us anything that it gave a platform to the disgruntled and cranky. Those who always wanted to be able to voice their opinion and knock down the preacher. Always under the guise of "wanting to be Biblically correct" but while they hold tightly to their "Bible Truth" they themselves have doctrines which are not their candy stick but are as false as a rubber chicken. Therefore while some would like to filet the pastor for his teaching on tithes and offering, they themselves have multiple heretical planks in their eyes. Yet, truth should be conveyed, but listen, you have a hodgepodge of beliefs and maybe even myths held by individuals for years. It takes time for anyone to see anything. But there are those who believe in something because they were told it by those they love, or elders who they respected. We come along all bright eyed and bushy tailed thinking we are going to give manna from the keyboard, but ends up being stench and death to their nostrils. These brothers and sisters aren't wicked for teaching something they were once told. They are sincerely ignorant, but doing it with sincerity.

Where you have someone who knows better, because they really know the truth but are doing that which is false. Then you have a problem. The Judean Rabbis in the first century totally understood who Jesus was. Nicodemus indicates that in John. So, we have to consider things before anyone burns Brother Pylant in effigy, we have to consider somethings. So, instead of walking Brother Pylant off the the plank to the righteous ecclesiastical sharks below. Just teach what you think about tithing.

amen, it's not just about being right, it's about keeping the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace, perfecting the saints, and edifying the body of Christ.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

amen, it's not just about being right, it's about keeping the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace, perfecting the saints, and edifying the body of Christ.

[Raven]

Just when I'm tempted to go back to my cave and hide from it all you [ Benincasa ] go and say something real good! There's hope for you yet my friend.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Raven

Just when I'm tempted to go back to my cave and hide from it all you [ Benincasa ] go and say something real good! There's hope for you yet my friend.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I'm an evangelist also an elder in the church family.

Might want to update your avatar picture. You hardly look old enough to be an elder. Just kidding. That's a beautiful family.

I already posted it in the other thread. I never got the revelation of half shekel full Denarius, or the give up all you own and eat granola with Yoneq doctrines.

I know you say that this is your humor, and it is funny, (now that I know you're kiddding). It's just that it sounds entirely plausible. I guess I'm maybe a little gun-shy.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

There is no such thing as the full Denari doctrine. That's my humor. I posted how we do it at our church family. I never ask for needs or offering from over the pulpit. No velvet sock with handle or golden plate is passed. No one is preached up or down to give, God provides. If you don't want to give, or you don't have to give, or want to give as much as you are capable it is between you and Jesus. You know all about OT Tithing? Then you know how Israel would neglect the Levites to the point where the Levites had to forsake their duties and take care of themselves Deuteronomy 12:19, Nehemiah 10:37-39, Nehemiah 13:10. The Bible teaches us that those who were expected to follow the Law, and precepts of God really just viewed these rules and observances as something that could be loopholed to death. Hence the reason the Pharisees created volumes of Talmud to get around the Law of God. To this day we have more doctrines then you could shake a stick at. If the Internet taught us anything that it gave a platform to the disgruntled and cranky. Those who always wanted to be able to voice their opinion and knock down the preacher. Always under the guise of "wanting to be Biblically correct" but while they hold tightly to their "Bible Truth" they themselves have doctrines which are not their candy stick but are as false as a rubber chicken. Therefore while some would like to filet the pastor for his teaching on tithes and offering, they themselves have multiple heretical planks in their eyes. Yet, truth should be conveyed, but listen, you have a hodgepodge of beliefs and maybe even myths held by individuals for years. It takes time for anyone to see anything. But there are those who believe in something because they were told it by those they love, or elders who they respected. We come along all bright eyed and bushy tailed thinking we are going to give manna from the keyboard, but ends up being stench and death to their nostrils. These brothers and sisters aren't wicked for teaching something they were once told. They are sincerely ignorant, but doing it with sincerity.

Where you have someone who knows better, because they really know the truth but are doing that which is false. Then you have a problem. The Judean Rabbis in the first century totally understood who Jesus was. Nicodemus indicates that in John. So, we have to consider things before anyone burns Brother Pylant in effigy, we have to consider somethings. So, instead of walking Brother Pylant off the the plank to the righteous ecclesiastical sharks below. Just teach what you think about tithing.

EB, I appreciate you taking the time to answer with this post. Overall, my impression is that you are to be commended for the way that you teach on giving. I believe that you are being candid and forthright about this and I can only say that I would that more would follow your example. Of course, I am not in complete agreement with everything in your post, (I wouldn't want you to go into cardiac arrest), so I will parse some things out and respond to them specifically. Otherwise, I hope I have not given the impression that I am anti-preacher, because that is far from the truth. I have many dear friends that are preachers that I hold in high esteem.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Amanah

amen, it's not just about being right, it's about keeping the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace, perfecting the saints, and edifying the body of Christ.

Amanah,

Thank you for your opinion and for making reference to an important scripture and concept for the edification of the church. I would be remiss if I did not quote a scripture in return that might be appropriate, considering the posts and indeed the thread that is relevant to this subject. If only I had one . . .

Let me think.

Maybe this one?


Bible, King James Version

1Pet.5 Verses 1 to 3

[1] The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
[2] Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
[3] Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.

Did you know (trivia for you), that the term filthy lucre occurs only five times in the entire Bible. Lucre is money, filthy is . . . well filthy. Money made under questionable circumstances. Each time filthy lucre is mentioned in the Bible, it is exhorting the leadership to NOT be greedy. Do you think these scriptures were written for naught? I think not! So, I'm not without scripture to reference myself. Here is another one.

Bible, King James Version

Tit.1 Verses 10 to 11

[10] For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
[11] Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

I really believe that the scripture above is as fitting to the half shekel doctrine as we are likely to find.

Please, allow me to reiterate that I appreciate you referencing scripture to support your thoughts. I admire that. In fact I think I will strive to do likewise.

(Imitation is the MOST sincere form of flattery.)