UPC and Ecumenical movement

[CC1]

Originally Posted by U376977

Yeah, I caught it, but I thought it was a joke. ?
I find it interesting that no one can answer the question.

Just critersise my spallin. Or give an "I don't know" or "I doubt it"

It was a joke. I always make up my on easy to remember version of the hard to remember screen names.

[U376977]

Originally Posted by CC1

It was a joke. I always make up my on easy to remember version of the hard to remember screen names.

It is cool. Sorry about the screen name. I guess I could have changed that part. I have so many sites that I must access for work ect. and the passwords have to be reset after certain number of days, that I try to keep it simple and use the U37 thing as a user id and then just rotate my password with a key and some numbers. Alas, I still get locked out from at least one site a month!!

[Sam]

A couple of thoughts about the UPC and ecumenicalism:

There are many organizations that preach pretty much the same as the UPC. A while back I seem to remember a UPC position paper advocating more fellowship and cooperation among those organizations. Any inter-organizational fellowship would actually be at the level of the individual assembly. There are UPC churches that don't even fellowship other UPC churches. And there are some UPC churches that fellowship folks in other organizations and in independent churches.

As far as the UPC fellowshipping churches like the World Council of Churches, I just don't think that would happen. There just seems to be too wide a gap in doctrine and many in the UPC would not even consider folks in those other churches to be saved.

[U376977]

Thank-you Sam. So I guess what you are saying is they took the position to let individual churches fellowship with whoever they wanted as long as they are like believing. Is that it or am I oversimplifying?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by U376977

Thank-you Sam. So I guess what you are saying is they took the position to let individual churches fellowship with whoever they wanted as long as they are like believing. Is that it or am I oversimplifying?

I don't know. I don't remember just what the position paper said.

I know there has been some talk about cooperation between Trinity and Oneness Pentecostal churches several years ago. I read about it in Charsima. Ken Haney was involved in that.

Years ago when Nathan Urshan was still pastoring in Indianapolis he had Harold Bredesen (not sure of the spelling), who was a Dutch Reformed pastor that had received the Holy Ghost Baptism, there at his church.

But at a national level and at an organizational level I just can't picture a UPC/WCC fellowship.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by U376977

Does anyone know if the UPC has taken a formal position on the Ecumenical movement?

I heard a rumor they have endorsed the movement.

Its not true.
And do yourself a favor....don't pay attention to "rumors".

[RachelRose]

Originally Posted by Sam

A couple of thoughts about the UPC and ecumenicalism:

There are many organizations that preach pretty much the same as the UPC. A while back I seem to remember a UPC position paper advocating more fellowship and cooperation among those organizations. Any inter-organizational fellowship would actually be at the level of the individual assembly. There are UPC churches that don't even fellowship other UPC churches. And there are some UPC churches that fellowship folks in other organizations and in independent churches.

As far as the UPC fellowshipping churches like the World Council of Churches, I just don't think that would happen. There just seems to be too wide a gap in doctrine and many in the UPC would not even consider folks in those other churches to be saved.

I love AFF website. It is like a TIME MACHINE!

Look at the date of this thread. Fast forward to AM appearing on TBN recently. Look at how this thread just trailed off. the question was never debated.

[Michael The Disciple]

I went to a meeting in Washington DC in 1980. It was called "Washington For Jesus". There were hundreds of thousands of believers there. I had just recently
come into the "Apostolic Movement".

I was still fellowshipping with a Trinitarian Church at that time, the Ceylon Pentecostal Mission. The leader of the CPM got an invite to come to Washington For Jesus. It was billed as an expression of unity among believers of all faiths.

Well many of us from the Church attended. Was I happy when I heard that the President of the UPC would be speaking! In my mind I thought he would get up and set the place on fire with truth. Many of the top Charismatic, Evangelical Preachers of the time spoke that day. My focus was on Bro. Urshan speaking.

Well when he did speak I was utterly disappointed. As I recall he spoke about repentance and America turning to God and having a greater "light of God" in our country. It was one of the least inspiring messages we heard that day. Nothing about Acts 2:38 or the Oneness message.

At least on that occasion the attempt of the UPC to blend in with the other believers did not get very far.

[RachelRose]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I went to a meeting in Washington DC in 1980. It was called "Washington For Jesus". There were hundreds of thousands of believers there. I had just recently
come into the "Apostolic Movement".

I was still fellowshipping with a Trinitarian Church at that time, the Ceylon Pentecostal Mission. The leader of the CPM got an invite to come to Washington For Jesus. It was billed as an expression of unity among believers of all faiths.

Well many of us from the Church attended. Was I happy when I heard that the President of the UPC would be speaking! In my mind I thought he would get up and set the place on fire with truth. Many of the top Charismatic, Evangelical Preachers of the time spoke that day. My focus was on Bro. Urshan speaking.

Well when he did speak I was utterly disappointed. As I recall he spoke about repentance and America turning to God and having a greater "light of God" in our country. It was one of the least inspiring messages we heard that day. Nothing about Acts 2:38 or the Oneness message.

At least on that occasion the attempt of the UPC to blend in with the other believers did not get very far.

You have made my point Brother!

Anytime the people that feel Acts 2:38 is the correct message, we take a back seat. I always hear this stupid ........ about "Wise as serpents but harmless as doves." I wish when AM was on TBN the other day the whole world could have heard the gospel. Instead of that we have a wishy-washy message of us hanging out with the big group. We get the shaft again.

I just feel let down. I look at the Apostles. They never teamed up with the "the other guys".

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by RachelRose

You have made my point Brother!

Anytime the people that feel Acts 2:38 is the correct message, we take a back seat. I always hear this stupid ........ about "Wise as serpents but harmless as doves." I wish when AM was on TBN the other day the whole world could have heard the gospel. Instead of that we have a wishy-washy message of us hanging out with the big group. We get the shaft again.

I just feel let down. I look at the Apostles. They never teamed up with the "the other guys".

Does anyone have a recording of what was and was not said?