Do we have to pay tithes?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

All I'm saying is what EB said. Not everybody had money, but everyone received increase. Whatever your increase was as Deuteronomy 14:22 said "Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year."

Or as Leviticus 27:30-32 "And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord. [31] And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof. [32] And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, [I]the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord."

Because fact is bro, a tenth of everything still to this day should be holy to the Lord! That is a principal He has given that should never change. It's not meant to just be thrown out or how could He say in Malachi 3:8-9 "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. [9] Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation." Just deal with the parts I underlined and bolded, if that was meant to just be the priests. The text says different.

Whatever was theft and robbing God then is still robbing God when the "tenth is to be holy unto the Lord."

Don't forget . . .

I disagree with EB on one thing. Money was readily available to everyone, even when they were in the desert.

The half shekel offering was taken in the wilderness after the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt. More than six hundred thousand men above the age of twenty were required to pay the half shekel. It was money. Your very soul (life) depended on you paying the half shekel offering. Money seems to have been pretty widely available, if more than six hundred thousand men had it, out in the desert.

[Tithesmeister]

I must go. Happy studying.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Don't forget . . .

I disagree with EB on one thing. Money was readily available to everyone, even when they were in the desert.

The half shekel offering was taken in the wilderness after the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt. More than six hundred thousand men above the age of twenty were required to pay the half shekel. It was money. Your very soul (life) depended on you paying the half shekel offering. Money seems to have been pretty widely available, if more than six hundred thousand men had it, out in the desert.

Romans 2:28-29 "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: [29] But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

"For the tenth shall be holy to the Lord" go past the letter, and onto the Spirit of the law. Whatever was holy then still is, and I don't care who says it's not!!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

I plan to do so. I don't want to make myself a liar by saying when. If I recall correctly that message is about two hours, so it will take some time. Should I make a separate thread for it? Or post it on here? I want to respect the efforts of 1ofthechosen.

What do you all think?

My advice would be no need for yet another thread. It was posted here, so therefore it would be easier to deal with it here. Also getting passionate, being truthfully honest doesn't disrespect anyone. If my feelings get hurt, Then I am the one who will ultimately deal with that on my own.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Don't forget . . .

I disagree with EB on one thing. Money was readily available to everyone, even when they were in the desert.

The half shekel offering was taken in the wilderness after the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt. More than six hundred thousand men above the age of twenty were required to pay the half shekel. It was money. Your very soul (life) depended on you paying the half shekel offering. Money seems to have been pretty widely available, if more than six hundred thousand men had it, out in the desert.

Did you read the book of Exodus? Exodus 12:35-36 "And the children of Israel did according to the word of Moses; and they borrowed of the Egyptians jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment: [36] And the Lord gave the people favour in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they lent unto them such things as they required. And they spoiled the Egyptians." That's how they built the Tabernacle. From the spoil of the Egyptians. But to believe they always had it is ludicrous.

What in the world is the difference between money, and something that has a monetary value? Because like I shared in my testimony earlier, I haven't always been saved. And in the 2000s I didn't have to have cash from you, only collateral and there is a exchange rate. Would you feel better if you paid in groceries? I mean what is your real deal there? Please post here your points on Brother Riggen. I will say he made a few points I didn't exactly agree with. Like the references to the book of Hebrews. But he made a solid assessment of the mindset of people, who in general just don't want to pay tithes. He's got your number somewhere in there.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Don't forget . . .

I disagree with EB on one thing. Money was readily available to everyone, even when they were in the desert.

The half shekel offering was taken in the wilderness after the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt. More than six hundred thousand men above the age of twenty were required to pay the half shekel. It was money. Your very soul (life) depended on you paying the half shekel offering. Money seems to have been pretty widely available, if more than six hundred thousand men had it, out in the desert.

Half shekel wasn't exactly a coin, it was weighted measure. To understand something so vastly ancient you need to look at the words they used. Genesis 23:16 was silver not minted coins, because what on earth did they need to mint coins. The word doesn't even mean a "coin" but weight.

Money comin to ya!

[Evang.Benincasa]

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

My advice would be no need for yet another thread. It was posted here, so therefore it would be easier to deal with it here. Also getting passionate, being truthfully honest doesn't disrespect anyone. If my feelings get hurt, Then I am the one who will ultimately deal with that on my own.

Hey can I start a poll on this thread or is it to late? I just want to see how many will even pay tithes. What about you EB? Will you?

[Evang.Benincasa]

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

What about you EB? Will you?

Will I what?