Salvation's Birth: Rep? Fai? Hol Spi Bap?

[houston]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I will say we do all have differing views, but on this one there's a pretty good consensus. Which is good we do at least agree here. There is only like 2 people who disagree on this one of them only half the time. But you will have to get someone else to start going that direction before they will say anything about it.

Huh?

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by houston

Huh?

I forgot the guys name that says baptism can be done anyway and it's ok. But Originalist will ride with him if he starts saying it first. But otherwise he's not going to say it first. Other than that everybody pretty much agrees on at least salvational issues.

[1ofthechosen]

I went back and looked the guys name is Tyrone Palmer .

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=52137

Matter of fact I read the first couple pages, and then Went to to like the 9th through the 10th page I LOL'ed for real. Man EB you made my night!

[houston]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I went back and looked the guys name is Tyrone Palmer .

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=52137

Originalist is AoG. Lol. What do you expect?

I’ve been baptized 3 times so...

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by houston

Originalist is AoG. Lol. What do you expect?

I’ve been baptized 3 times so...

I've been baptized in the titles twice and the name of Jesus twice. Lol. Baptism don't even matter if you didnt truly repent! No matter how it was done..

But today I can say I'm born of water and Spirit and washed in the blood. False doctrine is a strong hold. I try to stay far away from fly by night philosophies that have no power to transform.

This evangelist Matt Watson said something powerful in this revival that stuck. He said, "the gospel isn't the gospel if it doesn't have the power to transform. And any preacher who.doesnt preach on sin, doesn't preach on it because they've never been delivered of sin in their own life yet." That may of been off topic but I wanted to share it regardless.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

When does salvation begin?
Using scriptures, defend your view that salvation begins at either repentance, faith, or Holy Spirit baptism.

"Salvation begins" is to be interpreted in the same way that a child is BORN once the child emerges from the womb (logical since we speak so often about being born again).

I feel like chewing on beef jerky...

Salvation begins with belief in the Lord Jesus Christ . . .


John.3 Verses 15 to 18

[15] That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
[17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

It begins with believing and confessing . . .



[8] But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Here's where the question was asked specifically by the "keeper of the prison" of Paul and Silas . . .

Acts.16
[30] And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
[31] And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house

Let the record show, that salvation begins with believing.

[Amanah]

believe and be baptized

He that believes and is baptized shall be saved (Mark 16:16)

signs follow believers

These signs shall follow them that believe In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; (Mark 16:17-18)

receive the Holy Ghost and speak with tongues

And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. (Acts 19:1-6)

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Salvation begins with belief in the Lord Jesus Christ . . .


John.3 Verses 15 to 18

[15] That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
[17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

It begins with believing and confessing . . .



[8] But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Here's where the question was asked specifically by the "keeper of the prison" of Paul and Silas . . .

Acts.16
[30] And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
[31] And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house

Let the record show, that salvation begins with believing.

He specifically said "Salvation begins" is to be interpreted in the same way that a child is BORN once the child emerges from the womb (logical since we speak so often about being born again)."

The first step of faith maybe believing and confessing. But you are not born again, bro

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Salvation begins with belief in the Lord Jesus Christ . . .


John.3 Verses 15 to 18

[15] That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
[17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

It begins with believing and confessing . . .



[8] But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Here's where the question was asked specifically by the "keeper of the prison" of Paul and Silas . . .

Acts.16
[30] And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
[31] And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house

Let the record show, that salvation begins with believing.

He specifically said "Salvation begins" is to be interpreted in the same way that a child is BORN once the child emerges from the womb (logical since we speak so often about being born again)."

The first step of faith maybe believing and confessing. But you are not born again, at that point. Or as he said "the same way that a child is BORN once the child emerges from the womb." There's no emergence from the womb at that point..

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

He specifically said "Salvation begins" is to be interpreted in the same way that a child is BORN once the child emerges from the womb (logical since we speak so often about being born again)."

The first step of faith maybe believing and confessing. But you are not born again, bro

I understand that he said that. I disagree. I believe salvation begins with believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. You shall be saved, (saved as in salvation) because you believed. You do believe this . . . right?

If we believe, we shall be saved. It is a promise from God. We do believe that God keeps His promises, don't we? If we are born again (having received the Holy Ghost) we are saved. Saved is past tense. Shall be saved is future tense, so it fits better with the beginning of salvation part.