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[Pressing-On]

Israel’s ambassador to UN goes biblical during meeting with Security Council
https://www.jns.org/israels-ambassad...urity-council/

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“And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant. And I will give to you, and to your descendants after you, all the land of Cana’an, for an everlasting possession. And I will be their God,” he said.

The Israeli ambassador added: “From the book of Genesis; to the Jewish exodus from Egypt; to receiving the Torah on Mount Sinai … and to the realization of God’s covenant in the Holy Land of Israel; the Bible paints a consistent picture. The entire history of our people, and our connection to (the Land of Israel), begins right here.”

“This is our deed to our land,” he asserted.


Israel belongs to the Jews.

[MawMaw]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Israel’s ambassador to UN goes biblical during meeting with Security Council
https://www.jns.org/israels-ambassad...urity-council/

(video embed)


“And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant. And I will give to you, and to your descendants after you, all the land of Cana’an, for an everlasting possession. And I will be their God,” he said.

The Israeli ambassador added: “From the book of Genesis; to the Jewish exodus from Egypt; to receiving the Torah on Mount Sinai … and to the realization of God’s covenant in the Holy Land of Israel; the Bible paints a consistent picture. The entire history of our people, and our connection to (the Land of Israel), begins right here.”

“This is our deed to our land,” he asserted.


Israel belongs to the Jews.

[Ehud]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Lastly, I do agree that under the NT Covenant genealogy and tribes do not "matter" even if the Jewish people think otherwise. I also do not believe that lineage/bloodlines end just because paperwork was destroyed. I do believe that we could still find Jewish people, all over the world, who would relate back to Abraham if we had that capability.

My apologies for interrupting, but isn't the whole point that we don't have that capability? Perhaps I am reading into their statements more than I should, but my understanding of what our brothers are saying is that a Biblical lineage ends when the paperwork does, not that the literal lineage does. Obviously whoever your great-great-great-great-great grandpa was is still your great-great-great-great-great grandpa regardless of paperwork, but you have no claim without the paperwork, and no amount of genetic testing can prove otherwise.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Ehud

My apologies for interrupting, but isn't the whole point that we don't have that capability? Perhaps I am reading into their statements more than I should, but my understanding of what our brothers are saying is that a Biblical lineage ends when the paperwork does, not that the literal lineage does. Obviously whoever your great-great-great-great-great grandpa was is still your great-great-great-great-great grandpa regardless of paperwork, but you have no claim without the paperwork, and no amount of genetic testing can prove otherwise.

You are never interrupting on this Forum. No apologies needed. Tangents are accepted as well.

my understanding of what our brothers are saying is that a Biblical lineage ends when the paperwork does, not that the literal lineage does.

I can't reconcile your two thoughts. The lineage either ends or it doesn't. If the literal doesn't end, then it is ongoing with or without paperwork.

My point is that they did not have DNA capability and used paperwork, otherwise, DNA would have been their method essentially having the same details.

I just remembered something Esaias was saying and where we really had the disagreement - the Jews of today or not the same people as Biblical times. The thing is, they follow the same Hebrew Bible, and so they think that they are and so do I. It doesn't mean they don't have to answer for Acts 2:38.

Aside from all of that, which is neither here nor there, the argument is about whether we should support Israel and I believe that we should - whether they have accepted Jesus Christ or not. It is their country that was given by God, they have kept the Oracles of God, and they are our largest democratic ally in the Middle East. I support Israel and not because of Dispensationalism.

[Ehud]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You are never interrupting on this Forum. No apologies needed. Tangents are accepted as well.

I tend to enjoy the tangents more than the actual discussions. I'm pretty sure I'm hardwired to be weird like that. Most of my conversations can be likened to an episode of Seinfeld: completely about nothing.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I can't reconcile your two thoughts. The lineage either ends or it doesn't. If the literal doesn't end, then it is ongoing with or without paperwork.

A Biblical lineage *demanded* proof. A literal lineage does not. You might very well be related to Abraham, but without the paperwork you can't prove it. If you can't prove it, your Biblical lineage has ended. I readily admit the literal lineage would not end, but without Biblical lineage, no claim can be made. Only an heir with documentation is walking away with an inheritance. It's very much like all thumbs are fingers, but not all fingers are thumbs. (Am I proving that random, tangent thing yet? Ha!)

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

My point is that they did not have DNA capability and used paperwork, otherwise, DNA would have been their method essentially having the same details.

I suppose this is just an area where agreeing to disagree is the way to go. I am admittedly not well versed on DNA testing, but I have never seen any proof that DNA testing can tell us our exact lineage. Not only did OT folks not have the capability, neither do we. It requires paperwork to prove the specifics.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Ehud

A Biblical lineage *demanded* proof. A literal lineage does not. You might very well be related to Abraham, but without the paperwork you can't prove it. If you can't prove it, your Biblical lineage has ended. I readily admit the literal lineage would not end, but without Biblical lineage, no claim can be made. Only an heir with documentation is walking away with an inheritance. It's very much like all thumbs are fingers, but not all fingers are thumbs. (Am I proving that random, tangent thing yet? Ha!

I suppose this is just an area where agreeing to disagree is the way to go. I am admittedly not well versed on DNA testing, but I have never seen any proof that DNA testing can tell us our exact lineage. Not only did OT folks not have the capability, neither do we. It requires paperwork to prove the specifics.

I would have to agree as technically this could only be true. The literal doesn’t end, but you would need visible proof.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Ehud

I tend to enjoy the tangents more than the actual discussions. I'm pretty sure I'm hardwired to be weird like that. Most of my conversations can be likened to an episode of Seinfeld: completely about nothing.




A Biblical lineage *demanded* proof. A literal lineage does not. You might very well be related to Abraham, but without the paperwork you can't prove it. If you can't prove it, your Biblical lineage has ended. I readily admit the literal lineage would not end, but without Biblical lineage, no claim can be made. Only an heir with documentation is walking away with an inheritance. It's very much like all thumbs are fingers, but not all fingers are thumbs. (Am I proving that random, tangent thing yet? Ha!)




I suppose this is just an area where agreeing to disagree is the way to go. I am admittedly not well versed on DNA testing, but I have never seen any proof that DNA testing can tell us our exact lineage. Not only did OT folks not have the capability, neither do we. It requires paperwork to prove the specifics.

Your Kung Fu, is very good

[Evang.Benincasa]

Without the proper genealogical lineage the “generatio” was lost.

Only through Jesus Christ does the lineage continue.

ONLY through being born again into the Body of Christ the True Israel of God does one have the real pedigree.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Without the proper genealogical lineage the “generatio” was lost.

Only through Jesus Christ does the lineage continue.

ONLY through being born again into the Body of Christ the True Israel of God does one have the real pedigree.

[Ehud]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I would have to agree as technically this could only be true. The literal doesn’t end, but you would need visible proof.