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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Having a Moabitess included into a record didn’t mean that God cared for people outside of the TRIBAL lines. People tend to use the word Jewish like they are talking about Asian, African, European, when in fact Israel wasn’t just made up of one tribe, but many different tribes.. Jews today are of no tribe. You repeating your self that there has to be someone doesn’t line up with what you explained to me above. The lineages were mandertory. Everyony had to have an authentic genealogy. For Jesus to tell them that the generation He was speaking to wouldn’t end until everything was completed would of been understood by His audience. We Pentecostals allow that statement to wiz right over our heads.
You have to remember that you were really not taught much about Bible lineage genealogy. So when someone brings it up it is discounted and gets placed on the pay no mind list. The Gentiles being placed in Jesus’ lineage are important to show when females were married into a tribe. Not one word about showing how God cares about those outside the line of Israel. Because Abraham was once a pagan among pagans. The Bible is about come out from among them. It isn’t about a DNA strand only linked to one race. It is about repentance and conversion. Jesus’ linage also has an individual who was cursed. Does that mean God wanted to show He thought about those He cursed? No, lineages were to show who was qualified for what and who you were connected to. You have no genealogy? Then you CANNOT PROVE you were part of that physical covenant made in flesh. We are to no longer be concerned with ENDLESS genealogies. Because they are no longer any concern with God.
What we called Israel over in the Middle East means as much to God as Borger Texas. Borger isn’t in the Bible, and neither is the new country called Israel.
No one in Israel today can prove any lineage to Ancient Israel.
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I believe that "Jechoniah was the father of Shealtiel," was mentioned to understand Haggai's blessing (
Haggai 2:20-24) of Zerubabbel as the rescission of Jeremiah's curse (
Jeremiah 22:24-30) reinstating Jehoiachin's line on David's throne.
Since Joseph's genealogy would include Johoachin (
Matthew 1:12), the reinstatement would be important to include his name.
Jesus would have the genealogy titles from both Joseph and Mary as
- Son of David
- Son of Abrabram (No answer as to why God chose a pagan to be the father of all Israel, He just chose Abraham)
- Son of Adam (receiving his full humanity from his mother
- Son of God.
I do still believe that the women mentioned in the lineage was important, as Matthew makes clear - God was coming to save the lost sheep Israel and that the Gentiles would also benefit. You can't read Rahab's name and think otherwise, IMO. It stands to reason as Jesus spoke to the Jewish people first - "and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem."
Lastly, I do agree that under the NT Covenant genealogy and tribes do not "matter" even if the Jewish people think otherwise. I also do not believe that lineage/bloodlines end just because paperwork was destroyed. I do believe that we could still find Jewish people, all over the world, who would relate back to Abraham if we had that capability.
An interesting story, a friend was looking for a person from their past, but did not know the person's name, where this person lived, etc. Temporarily putting that on a backburner, the person decided out of curiosty to submit their information to Ancestry.com. Some few months later, they received a notice that a person wanted to contact them as their DNA was a 95% match. Hooking up and after conversing and verifying incidents of time, location and history, everything discovered was found to be true. The person found their family they thought had been lost to them. Happy ending.
So, no, I do not believe that genetic genealogy is bogus.
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