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Old 02-16-2020, 01:56 AM
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Re: Charismatic Sweep

No. No hope. This is their fruit.

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Some of TLR's staff came to Phoenix about a year ago. I attended one of their "Kickstart" sessions, met and spoke with Peter Ahlman, TLR Sweden's leader, and several who came with him from Sweden, China and other areas.

I have not met or heard Torbin speak in person, but I have watched the entire Pioneer
School series. It appears there may be some differences between Torbin and Peter.

From what I remember, Torbin believes in the oneness of God. Peter is Trinitarian. Both believe in the new birth experience of Acts 2:38 - repentance, baptism and receiving the HG.

During the "Kickstart" session I attended, someone asked if a person should be re-baptized if they either had only been baptized as a child in the Catholic church or had been baptized in a church which did not believe the necessity of the new birth experience. One of the men with Peter was conducting this Q&A and stated they did not believe in re-baptism.

We went in groups out to various nearby stores and malls. A couple groups were told to leave the malls. I was paired with the leader for TLR in AZ. Unfortunately, he didn't have much success at getting anyone to stop or pray for anyone.

I did witness Peter praying for a girl who had a leg short than the other. I'm cautious about saying outright that it was fake, but there seemed to be some manipulation in the way the girl sat and how it was presented. I also know that these type of healings are very popular with faith healers and have a history of being faked.

A young man I know from an apostolic church here got very involved with TLR. His job moved him to KC, where he joined up with IHOP. He's a mess now. He follows Todd White and hangs on every word White says. He visits "healing rooms" (associated with John Lake) and has told me of his friends who have healed people by blowing in their ear or even spitting on people.
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Old 02-16-2020, 04:37 AM
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No. No hope. This is their fruit.
So one can do Acts 2:38 believe in the Oneness of God and set their life to serve God and have no apparent sin in their life and there is NO HOPE for them?

I see.
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So one can do Acts 2:38 believe in the Oneness of God and set their life to serve God and have no apparent sin in their life and there is NO HOPE for them?

I see.
They don’t baptize in Jesus’ name.
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They don’t baptize in Jesus’ name.
That SEEMS to contradict what he calls "the gospel" Acts 2:38.
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That SEEMS to contradict what he calls "the gospel" Acts 2:38.
I’ve seen videos of them baptizing... they don’t even call on the titles.
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Know why he came here for “asylum?”
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Hope for modern Charismatics?

Preaching the true gospel? 58 minutes in.

Micheal, I would be careful with that group.
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Micheal, I would be careful with that group.
Let him. He embraces charismatic and complainants about apostolics.
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Know why he came here for “asylum?”
No enlighten me.
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No enlighten me.
I’m not sure why he is here for asylum. I listened to a message or meeting from him and my skin crawled. Just be careful.
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