Charismatic

kclee4jc · #1 02-26-2012, 07:42 PM

What does that word mean to you?
Would you be offended if someone referred to you as a charismatic?
Why or why not?

Does the word "charismatic" take away from Apostolic Holiness in any way?

Sethern · #2 02-26-2012, 07:46 PM

Yes, certainly! Charismatic people are those that have abandoned most of their standards of holiness and become a relaxed watered down bunch of so called, "Christians." They allow for adoption of other faiths into their mix and become confused and strongly worldly... Look at Pastor Johnson's church in Austin Texas, I live near there and have been to that church quite a few times, and they are sooooo ungodly! Girls there are having children out of wedlock now. They are a very charismatic church, and even claim to be...

kclee4jc · #3 02-26-2012, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sethern

Yes, certainly! Charismatic people are those that have abandoned most of their standards of holiness and become a relaxed watered down bunch of so called, "Christians." They allow for adoption of other faiths into their mix and become confused and strongly worldly... Look at Pastor Johnson's church in Austin Texas, I live near there and have been to that church quite a few times, and they are sooooo ungodly! Girls there are having children out of wedlock now. They are a very charismatic church, and even claim to be...

I believe in Apostolic truth.
I believe in Holiness and believe in a strong standard of Holiness at that. My church is a very conservative church and that is the way I prefer it.

I disagree about the meaning of the word "charismatic". :-)

Sethern · #4 02-26-2012, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc

I believe in Apostolic truth.
I believe in Holiness and believe in a strong standard of Holiness at that. My church is a very conservative church and that is the way I prefer it.

I disagree about the meaning of the word "charismatic". :-)

Then maybe there is something that you know that I do not know, would you be willing to share your version the word, "Charismatic" please? I would be grateful

Michael The Disciple · #5 02-26-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sethern

Yes, certainly! Charismatic people are those that have abandoned most of their standards of holiness and become a relaxed watered down bunch of so called, "Christians." They allow for adoption of other faiths into their mix and become confused and strongly worldly... Look at Pastor Johnson's church in Austin Texas, I live near there and have been to that church quite a few times, and they are sooooo ungodly! Girls there are having children out of wedlock now. They are a very charismatic church, and even claim to be...

The Charismatic movement was never a "Oneness Pentecostal" thing. It came from people in various denominations receing the Holy Ghost and tongues. I associated among them for some years in the 70's and 80's.

Most of their groups dont do much for me but several of their Churches have stood out over the years. Charismatics in general believe pretty much like Protestants except they do honor and teach the Holy Spirit baptism.

I dont see much what I consider true holiness teaching among Apostolic or Charismatic groups. I am not offened by the term Charismatic. Neither by the term Pentecostal, or Apostolic.

houston · #6 02-26-2012, 08:00 PM

Charismatic is or was a liturgical church that embraced the gifts of the spirit.

Catholics began to speak in tongues and referred to themselves as charismatic.

Research Catholic Pentecostalism or the Catholic Charismatic Renewal.

Sethern may refer to me as charismatic. I am "liberal" per standards, yet I consider myself to be very conservative. How I define charismatic, it's that pensacola/brownsville bark like dogs, grow like lions, and that benny hinn stuff.

Sethern · #7 02-26-2012, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The Charismatic movement was never a "Oneness Pentecostal" thing. It came from people in various denominations receing the Holy Ghost and tongues. I associated among them for some years in the 70's and 80's.

Most of their groups dont do much for me but several of their Churches have stood out over the years. Charismatics in general believe pretty much like Protestants except they do honor and teach the Holy Spirit baptism.

I dont see much what I consider true holiness teaching among Apostolic or Charismatic groups. I am not offened by the term Charismatic. Neither by the term Pentecostal, or Apostolic.

Then I am not to sure what to consider, Bro Johnson's church except maybe just a backslidin church. But I never even fell that much when I backslid : /

AreYouReady? · #8 02-26-2012, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sethern

Yes, certainly! Charismatic people are those that have abandoned most of their standards of holiness and become a relaxed watered down bunch of so called, "Christians." They allow for adoption of other faiths into their mix and become confused and strongly worldly... Look at Pastor Johnson's church in Austin Texas, I live near there and have been to that church quite a few times, and they are sooooo ungodly!

Brother Johnson? As in Rex Johnson?

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Originally Posted by Sethern

Girls there are having children out of wedlock now. They are a very charismatic church, and even claim to be...

Sethern, I hate to break this to you, but over here girls are having babies out of wedlock in Oneness Pentecostal churches, even grandchildren of some Pastors of the churches here. Daughters are running around on their husbands. Husbands on wives. It's not a "charismatic" thing.

kclee4jc · #9 02-26-2012, 08:17 PM

Houston kinda hit the nail on the head. To me the term charismatic implies that someone embraces the Gifts of the Spirit. Technically Oneness Pentecostalism is a "charismatic movement" however separate from the "Charismatic Movement". As far as churches and groups letting down on standards of holiness, this is very heart breaking to me and I agree that it is against the will of God. I just don't think the term charismatic has anything to do with it. It irritates me a bit when fellow Apostolics refer to everyone who has walked away from pure doctrine as "charismatic".

houston · #10 02-26-2012, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc

Houston kinda hit the nail on the head. To me the term charismatic implies that someone embraces the Gifts of the Spirit. Technically Oneness Pentecostalism is a "charismatic movement" however separate from the "Charismatic Movement". As far as churches and groups letting down on standards of holiness, this is very heart breaking to me and I agree that it is against the will of God. I just don't think the term charismatic has anything to do with it. It irritates me a bit when fellow Apostolics refer to everyone who has walked away from pure doctrine as "charismatic".

Thank you.