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07-21-2007, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Can the UPC advertising on television really stop revival? I find that idea laughable. God is gonna have a church people. Maybe its time we expand our view of exactly who, and what that is.
We (UPC) are not the only players any more. We have a yearly net growth rate of 1%. Don't feed me a line of cockamamie that tv evangelism is going to hamper growth.
WHAT GROWTH?
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Probability is, though, that it will greatly accelerate the church to church migration that has become so common!
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07-21-2007, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by philjones
Probability is, though, that it will greatly accelerate the church to church migration that has become so common!
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Why would that be? I really don't see why this would happen.
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07-21-2007, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
I love when anti-tv preachers allude to tv programs ....
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I love it when "without a clue but gotta prove a point posters" think everyone who holds a standard was born and raised in the church.
YAWN....
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07-21-2007, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Why would that be? I really don't see why this would happen.
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Human nature... I can't explain it either but I can tell you that WITHOUT TV POA , with NO EFFORT on the part of POA, gets unexpected transfers on a regular basis. Folks have many different reasons for making that move but I can assure that probably 40 to 50% of that congregation drives past at least one and probably more than one UPC to get to church on Sunday morning.
Since according to persistent testimony on AFF all UPC saints have TV, putting the ads out there will just accelerate the moves to the bigger church to the point that the smaller churches will become so small they cannot survive. Hasta la vista smaller churches... hello mega churches...
I am not passing judgment so much as stating what I feel will happen and what "all the fuss is about."
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07-21-2007, 09:03 PM
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why cant churches just advertise on the radio.
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07-21-2007, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Can the UPC advertising on television really stop revival? I find that idea laughable. God is gonna have a church people. Maybe its time we expand our view of exactly who, and what that is.
We (UPC) are not the only players any more. We have a yearly net growth rate of 1%. Don't feed me a line of cockamamie that tv evangelism is going to hamper growth.
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Exactly ... What growth?? ... there are reports of 1% church growth ... yet no one discusses the ministerial turnaround ... it's my understanding that the ministerial fellowship has had a net growth of maybe 400-500 ministers in 10 years
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07-21-2007, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by rrford
I love it when "without a clue but gotta prove a point posters" think everyone who holds a standard was born and raised in the church.
YAWN....
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Must be my sterling pedigree.
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07-21-2007, 09:30 PM
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t.v. is wrong to watch so why advertise on it.preachers just need to get a back bone and preach against it.I thank God I got the victory over that devil box.
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07-21-2007, 11:10 PM
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Shaking the dust off my shoes.
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Originally Posted by philjones
Rico,
Consider your logic here.... the TV ban served a purpose (apparently you feel a valid one). Now you say we need to make a change and no longer ban TV. Share with me how it is you believe both these things. Is it because our Apostolic churches are now full of folks who are more dedicated and greater prayer warriors and thus able to resist the temptation or has the programming become so much more Godly and morally palatable than it was when the prohibition served a purpose?
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Brother, back when this decision was made preachers were controlling a lot of things in people's lives, so why would watching TV be any different? It served its purpose because this ban fit with a mindset most churchgoing people of the time had. That mindset has changed a lot over the last 35 years. For one thing, people are more educated on the Word than they ever have been in the past, and they don't need to be told every little thing they should or shouldn't be doing. Let people decide for themselves. BTW, the UPCI wasn't the only organization to ban TV back in the day.
The reason I say it's about control today, more than anything else, is because the powers that be can see how they are losing more and more control over people with each passing decade. The TV issue has become their own field of lentils they are willing to fight to the death over. It seems pointless to me, seeing as how the organization has so readily acceptted the internet. With these two technoligies merging I just don't see how the organization can maintain any control over what people are doing. Too much focus on the "thou shalt nots" and not enough on the "thou shalts."
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07-21-2007, 11:13 PM
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Shaking the dust off my shoes.
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Originally Posted by LadyChocolate
When we teach the Word of God and teach people how to follow after the spirit and not after the flesh, they wont want to watch the television. does that make everything on there bad? no of course not... When we teach people the Word of God and how it says to set no evil before your eyes, and then if the people's hearts are right, they won't watch the junk on tv or video or whatever. If you are being led by the spirit of God, then you will not want adultery , murder, homosexuality. fornication in your house...whether it comes from tv or the books we read....
Huh? Haven't you ever read about the very same things in the Bible?
...it's kinda funny, some of the men we fellowship would put me in a backslidden condition because I watch adventures in odyssey or even educational films....but they have no problem sowing discord among the brethren... where is the balance????
no, I don't have a tv in my home and i am sure i will never have one... I am not for tv at all by no means.... but let me throw something at you here...
an elderly lady was a preacher's wife for over 50 years. They preached strong against tv... hubby dies and 8 years later she is in a nursing home with no way to church...no family to take her and only has a couple that takes her to service once every other month. hungry for the Word she ends up watching preaching on tv... she is 80 years old and is being blessed by the services... a wonderful, self righteous grandaughter said, it is sad that after all these years, grandma is going to hell for watching tv... Hmm??? TV is not the sin here....
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What you have described is a very real possibility.
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