***NEWSFLASH*** - Fasten Your TV Seat Belts!!!!

[The Dean]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Got anything good to say about the UPC?? Lets hear that please...

I rest my case.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by The Dean

Hogwash. Take out your posts that have 'UPC' in them and you wouldn't have enough to fill a thimble.

I know many people who are not 'pro-UPC' but don't spend their time and energy blaming it for all the problems in their life.

It gets old and borders on the ridiculous.

Dean, the bulk of his experience in the Church has been with the UPCI. That is who he identifies as being the Church. It's only natural that he associate all his church experiences as being with the UPC.

Originally Posted by COOPER

If I say anything that is not supportive of UPC I get called a basher.

I am like you, just speaking the truth and some don't like it.:sshhhupc that is.

Jesus and his disciples would probably be called bashers, too, if they were here witnessing things I've seen, COOP. Pray for the UPC and all of the Church. That's what I do, but sometimes the things I witness are so distressful that I have to speak. People (and organizations-or groups of people) cannot repent unless they see their need to repent. If everyone keeps reciting the mantra that "All is Well" then there won't be any repentance. It will just be politics, as usual. We hear the term "broken government" for the U.S. government that could apply in "other groups." Covering up is never better than coming clean.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I have been in the UPC for over 20 years and have attended several different churches. I don't recall anyone ever preaching against having a TV. I have heard some preaching against the content.

That's how it should be!

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Got anything good to say about the UPC?? Lets hear that please...

Yes,, UPC showed me Acts2:38, One God and saved my life as a Troubled teen.
Many good times and memories in the UPC. It was good times.

My Little girl got the Holy Ghost at a UPC youth camp last year and I cried for joy.

If it was not for my old Pastor and Church I would not be here.

God used The UPC to bring me to him. Jesus Found me and I him thru UPC.

Thank God for the UPC.

I wish all people would find Jesus and if God uses UPC good.

In fact I will probably seek a UPC pastor to Baptize my kids.

UPC has a lot of truth and I am thankful.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by The Dean

I rest my case.

Well rest then and read my Good that I have said.

I like UPC it is my roots and something I am thankful for.

But she ain't my God.

I did not leave UPC because of hurt.

I did not want to leave UPC but God showed me the truth about UPC and the standards doctrines. Not all is truth as far as TV, hair and standards go.

But if my kids get baptized in Jesus name at a UPC church I will be happy.

Thank God UPC knows some truth.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by PoorWiddleMe

Jesus and his disciples would probably be called bashers, too, if they were here witnessing things I've seen, too, COOP. Pray for the UPC and all of the Church. That's what I do, but sometimes the things I witness are so distressful that I have to speak. People (and organizations-or groups of people) cannot repent unless they see their need to repent. If everyone keeps reciting the mantra that "All is Well" then there won't be any repentance. It will just be politics, as usual. We hear the term "broken government" for the U.S. government that could apply in "other groups." Covering up is never better than coming clean.

Good post.

Originally Posted by COOPER

Good post.

I am not casting a stone at anyone. I am looking at the stones and thinking this: If we were to start casting stones, all of us would deserve them, including PWM. Pray for people to seek God's guidance and His will in THE CHURCH and that can only be done one person at a time.

[Steve Epley]

I have never had a television and the church I pastor is television free with the exception of an unsaved companion. And yes I preach against television.
And the men I fellowship preach against television.

Originally Posted by Rico

I can't speak for PM, but, in my opinion, a control issue is what it's become. I think that banning tv in the UPCI served its purpose, but the tiime has come to make a change.

Rico,

Consider your logic here.... the TV ban served a purpose (apparently you feel a valid one). Now you say we need to make a change and no longer ban TV. Share with me how it is you believe both these things. Is it because our Apostolic churches are now full of folks who are more dedicated and greater prayer warriors and thus able to resist the temptation or has the programming become so much more Godly and morally palatable than it was when the prohibition served a purpose?

Just curious...