The Mother Harlot

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I agreed that his studies in
Matthew 23:31-38
Luke 13:33-35
Rev. 17:5-6
Rev. 18:1-2,4,20,24
seem to correlate in some way.

Indeed there is a correlation. But in correlating these scriptures, it is error to jump into Preterist doctrine that keeps cropping up after some time remaining dormant. We just need to know how and why they correlate without swallowing everything that comes down the pike from the preterist.

I was a staunch Catholic for 22 years. I'm telling you when I was Drum Major for our High School band I knelt by the goal post, did the sign of the cross and prayed! Looking back on that, I just don't see what they have to do with anything at all. I don't see the importance.

I don't see the importance either. I do see and admire their attitude of strict devotion. I always have.

I'm also tired of hearing every little gadget that comes along might be the Mark of the Beast. It's just seems silly and superstitious.

You never heard it from me. I teach spiritual things to spiritual minded people who love things of the Spirit. I don't wallow in all of those dumb imaginations that some futurist have. Neither do I wallow in that dead history junk of the past (preterism) either.

I see some truth and some things that don't seem to pan out in all views.

That's good. I suppose in the end, the Word of God may prove out to be the Truth. What do you think?

So, that's where I'm at on prophecy and tend to view it as St. Matt - a carnal minded system.

That is right. Nothing more carnal that dead history, though.

[TK Burk]

I am sorry you could not see what Paul is saying in Romans 15. He is simply showing how fulfillments are positively used in the Church. Say it anyway you wish, but THAT is what he means.

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

The birth of Jesus is indeed the fulfillment of prophecy.

Yet, the Word of Prophecy, like all of the remaining Word of God must be rightly divided...laying what is natural along with what is natural and spiritual along what is spiritual. Rightly dividing the Word of truth is more than assuming that Revelation is about old Jerusalem simply because Jesus spoke concerning prophets in the gospels.

So with what you said earlier in mind; since these New Testament fulfillments of Jesus are now past, how do these still give the church hope? Of course I know that His birth and crucifixion gives us daily hope. But you indicated that prophecies that are past are not useful to the Church today. So how are Jesus’ fulfillments any different than what is being said about Revelation?

[Revelationist]

Matt 23:34-35

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
KJV

Here's who are guilty of killing the prophets...

Originally Posted by Revelationist

Matt 23:34-35

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
KJV

Here's who are guilty of killing the prophets...

That's right.

A backslidden church is still doing it today as they have through out the ages. Nothing has changed. It is a matter of state of affairs NOT particularly of history.

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

I am sorry you could not see what Paul is saying in Romans 15. He is simply showing how fulfillments are positively used in the Church. Say it anyway you wish, but THAT is what he means.



So with what you said earlier in mind; since these New Testament fulfillments of Jesus are now past, how do these still give the church hope? Of course I know that His birth and crucifixion gives us daily hope. But you indicated that prophecies that are past are not useful to the Church today. So how are Jesus’ fulfillments any different than what is being said about Revelation?

Where is there a future prophecy or the fulfillment of a future prophecy in Revelation, other than what I stated earlier in regards to repentance in the church?

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Bro. Strange

I suppose in the end, the Word of God may prove out to be the Truth. What do you think?

I certainly hope so. It better be --- or we've all been led down the garden path big time.

Originally Posted by Felicity

I certainly hope so. It better be --- or we've all been led down the garden path big time.

Seems to be quite a few garden paths around to follow. Just pick any one of them. There are many volices in the earth, each saying, "Follow this way, this is the right path and the right thing to believe."

"There is a WAY that seemeth right unto a man...."

It is strange that no one ever seems to think that he is mistaken in HIS OWN WAY. Everybody is soooooo correct. All you have to do is just listen to them.

[Steve Epley]

To them Revelations should be called Reversed.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

To them Revelations should be called Reversed.

LOL...

"The reverse of the Lord Jesus Christ"

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

To them Revelations should be called Reversed.

I will have to assume that "them" is used in reference to preterists etc.

To which I reply...

There is no book in the Bible called Revelations (with an s)

It is the book of Revelation... The Revelation of Jesus Christ and that name is very important.

And... the preterist view of the Revelation Of Jesus Christ lives more truly to the title than any other interpretation.

To most it would come closer to being the Revelation Of The Anti-Christ (although the word does not appear in the book)