Firearms Refresher Course

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Now, I do not believe you really think these examples are anywhere similar. A thread supporting arms designed to shoot another human made in God's image is much different then talking about the above subjects. Surely you can see the vast difference in these.

Now, if what we do to the “least of these” (See Matt 25:40, 45) is one in the same as doing it to Jesus, when is shooting another human ever acceptable for a Christian? If the person being shot "deserved it," would this not imply that he is a sinner? Unless you adhere to “once saved always saved,” or to the “doctrine of inclusion,” wouldn't the trigger then sentence the guilty party to an eternal hell? Who here that is in love with Jesus and His creation would want that to be on their conscience? Aren’t we called to give our life for another life as did Jesus? And for whom did He die; for sinners. Think about it. This is why we never find an account of the Apostles physically fighting for their own skin. Peter used a sword one time. But this was BEFORE his conversion. After, it was prayer that set him free (See Acts 12).

This whole issue comes down to one’s level of faith. Read it here:

Romans 12:17-21 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. (18) If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. (19) Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. (20) Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. (21) Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

I think Paul knew what is best….

All the romans had was a CROSS!

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Now, I do not believe you really think these examples are anywhere similar. A thread supporting arms designed to shoot another human made in God's image is much different then talking about the above subjects. Surely you can see the vast difference in these.

Now, if what we do to the “least of these” (See Matt 25:40, 45) is one in the same as doing it to Jesus, when is shooting another human ever acceptable for a Christian? If the person being shot "deserved it," would this not imply that he is a sinner? Unless you adhere to “once saved always saved,” or to the “doctrine of inclusion,” wouldn't the trigger then sentence the guilty party to an eternal hell? Who here that is in love with Jesus and His creation would want that to be on their conscience? Aren’t we called to give our life for another life as did Jesus? And for whom did He die; for sinners. Think about it. This is why we never find an account of the Apostles physically fighting for their own skin. Peter used a sword one time. But this was BEFORE his conversion. After, it was prayer that set him free (See Acts 12).

This whole issue comes down to one’s level of faith. Read it here:

Romans 12:17-21 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. (18) If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. (19) Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. (20) Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. (21) Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

I think Paul knew what is best….

FYI this has been discussed and polled already here at AFF, in a thread titled 'Would you pull the trigger.'

What we took away from that thread, in essence, is the concept that a person has already chosen hell for themselves if they commence an assault where they are threatening another person with deadly force.

My application of Christianity to the topic of self defense is that, after a lethal defensive incident, gun-toting Christians are to pray for the family of their dearly-departed assailant in their time of 'loss.'

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Brother Strange,

You truly enjoy leaning to your own understanding, ehh?

I noticed you chose the sustenance question, but what do YOU do that adds to you being saved or healed that Jesus did not already do or is doing for you? BIG DIFFERENCE huh?

Let me ask you the same thing as I did a few posts ago:

What did the fathers during Saul of Tarsus’ persecution do to protect their families? Where these men bad husbands?

Just show me one place where Jesus or His apostles said it is okay for a Christian to physically retaliate.

I appreciate your opinion, but I think Jesus' is always preferred.

Too much circular reasoning here to make any sense of what Jesus may have or may not have said.

Why not give me one scripture that says that it is ok for a man to sit at home and not plant a garden while expecting God to provide for the family.

The scriptures teach us to not recompence evil for evil. But it must be know that when my family is attacked and I chose to defend my family by whatever means at my disposal, it is an act of love and charity. I will certainly pray for the family of the dearly departed loved one if the man chooses such a course in his life. I pray that he will reconsider his evil deed before he is called upon tol pay the price for it.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

FYI this has been discussed and polled already here at AFF, in a thread titled 'Would you pull the trigger.'

What we took away from that thread, in essence, is the concept that a person has already chosen hell for themselves if they commence an assault where they are threatening another person with deadly force.

My application of Christianity to the topic of self defense is that, after a lethal defensive incident, gun-toting Christians are to pray for the family of their dearly-departed assailant in their time of 'loss.'

Interesting, can you show us where Jesus and the Apostles taught what you are presenting in the above statement?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Too much circular reasoning here to make any sense of what Jesus may have or may not have said.

Why not give me one scripture that says that it is ok for a man to sit at home and not plant a garden while expecting God to provide for the family.

The scriptures teach us to not recompence evil for evil. But it must be know that when my family is attacked and I chose to defend my family by whatever means at my disposal, it is an act of love and charity. I will certainly pray for the family of the dearly departed loved one if the man chooses such a course in his life. I pray that he will reconsider his evil deed before he is called upon tol pay the price for it.

Lord love you Brother Strange, can you show where Jesus said that love and charity meant to pop a cap off into a criminal's forehead?

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Lord love you Brother Strange, can you show where Jesus said that love and charity meant to pop a cap off into a criminal's forehead?

really tough for him to have said that bro, there were no guns then, brave new world out there, dt

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

really tough for him to have said that bro, there were no guns then, brave new world out there, dt

Where did He say to chop them to pieces with the sword?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Lord love you Brother Strange, can you show where Jesus said that love and charity meant to pop a cap off into a criminal's forehead?

No sir...

Not in the forehead.

Originally Posted by Berkeley

Where did He say to chop them to pieces with the sword?

Where does it say to sit home and let the Lord provide?

You all keep asking these circular questions that go nowhere.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Want to see an Apostolic man protecting his family?



Yep, that man is packing weapons alright. Just like those the Bible describes: "For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God..." (2 Corinthians 10:4)

The Bloody Theatre, or Martyrs' Mirror, of the Defenceless Christians : who suffered and were put to death for the testimony of Jesus, their Savior, from the time of Christ until the year A.D. 1660

http://www.homecomers.org/mirror/

L&F good post, the accusation that Nero made against the Christians were that they were violent and had started the fire that destroyed the city of Rome. Nero made the Christians out to be political enemies of the Roman Empire. Nero accusation was that these Christians were hostile and would use force to gain a kingdom.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com