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08-16-2007, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother Strange
We sure have a wide disparity of thought here.
Protecting your home is in NO way any form of RETALIATION. Retaliation is rendering an evil deed for an evil deed. It is the old eye for an eye tooth for a tooth mentality. That would be retaliation. The Lord would not be pleased with retaliation.
There is no scriptural concepts that would licenses us to "get even" kind of action. This is NOT charity. This would be evil. But there is such a thing as righteousness in your behavior in regards to protecting your home and even military service in time of war. There is a godly attitude to be had in it all which involves loving your enemy and doing good to those that do you evil, just as Jesus said. But, Jesus never meant for us to allow ourselves or our families to be stripped, beaten or even murdered if we have a means to prevent it. The writers of the N.T. were not brain dead.
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Elder, please read this:
As for Saul, he made havoc of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison. ( Acts 8:3)
So again I ask you, what did these men do?
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08-16-2007, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
The Bloody Theatre, or Martyrs' Mirror, of the Defenceless Christians : who suffered and were put to death for the testimony of Jesus, their Savior, from the time of Christ until the year A.D. 1660
http://www.homecomers.org/mirror/
L&F good post, the accusation that Nero made against the Christians were that they were violent and had started the fire that destroyed the city of Rome. Nero made the Christians out to be political enemies of the Roman Empire. Nero accusation was that these Christians were hostile and would use force to gain a kingdom.
In Jesus name
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The Bloody Theatre, or Martyrs' Mirror, of the Defenceless Christians Awesome book...and title!
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The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere.
-DD Benincasa, 12/06/03
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08-16-2007, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Lost and Found
Elder, please read this:
As for Saul, he made havoc of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison. ( Acts 8:3)
So again I ask you, what did these men do? |
They stabbed those in Saul's group and fought like wolves?
No New Testament teaching concerning retaliation
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08-16-2007, 02:28 PM
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"They pressed with such force through the strait gate, they left their flesh on the posts."
http://www.homecomers.org/mirror/contents.htm
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
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08-16-2007, 02:30 PM
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Can I some of you guys a question if you saw some man trying to rape your wife or children what would you do ?
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
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08-16-2007, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
They stabbed those in Saul's group and fought like wolves?
No New Testament teaching concerning retaliation
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Originally Posted by Lost and Found
Did the fathers during Saul of Tarsus’ persecution believe it protecting their families? How did those fathers protect their families from that danger? 
Just show me one place where Jesus or His apostles said it is okay for a Christian to physically retaliate. |
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Originally Posted by OP_Carl
If you cannot see the difference between an isolated incident of armed assault, robbery, home intrusion, or rape, and systematic persecution of an ethnic or religious minority . . .
. . . then I cannot help you understand what I wrote earlier.
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08-16-2007, 03:27 PM
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The question is not if we can differentiate, but where do Jesus and His apostles make this difference? Please list those scriptures.
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The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere.
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08-16-2007, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
Can I some of you guys a question if you saw some man trying to rape your wife or children what would you do ?
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Bro. Hutchinson,
Hypothetical situations are endless...and more than not, fruitless. 
Why not stick to Scripture? That is where we determine Truth.
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The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere.
-DD Benincasa, 12/06/03
www.tkburk.com
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08-16-2007, 03:34 PM
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Lost as two boys kissing
I met a guy once who had all those scriptures written on his arm under his long-sleeved shirts. He said that the long sleeves were a covering for him, and that his sleeves, his wife's long, uncut hair and his television-free living room would protect him from knives, bullets, and surly drive-through cashiers.
But only so long as his Pastor didn't advertise on television.
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Despite today's rising cost of living, it remains popular.
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." - Sir Winston Churchill
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Sir Winston Churchill
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." - Benjamin Franklin
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08-16-2007, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by OP_Carl
If you cannot see the difference between an isolated incident of armed assault, robbery, home intrusion, or rape, and systematic persecution of an ethnic or religious minority . . .
. . . then I cannot help you understand what I wrote earlier.
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Carl, a difference between turn the other cheek and what other scripture?
Jesus didn't preach non-retaliation for just those who would be persecuted for their Christianity. I guess a person was compelled to carry a load an extra mile because of doctrine? NON-RETALIATION is what Jesus preached.
Turn the other cheek meant just that.
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