My theory: nobody but nobody follows the scriptures in every detail at every moment of their born-again lives. Even with all the talk of it not being possible under our own power, but letting Christ work in us, even that doesn't work, in every detail at every moment. We may think our flesh has been crucified, but like it or not, that flesh has a nasty habit of resurrecting now and then!
BTW, LadyRev, I wasn't taking issue with your post. Quoted it just because it triggered my thought process (such as it is! ).
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
I respectfully disagree with your assessment of one's ability to not be angry and love their enemy while grabbing an attacker to keep him from hurting their wife.
You requested scripture that shows where the use of deadly force is OK.
Now I'm asking you to provide scripture that shows where its OK to use ANY kind of force, including grabbing, against one's enemies.
Grabbing an attacker would definitely NOT be gentle, rather, it would be forceful.
Where is your scriptural justification for this? Did Jesus do this?
Turn around is fair play.
WOW! You ate your Wheaties today!!!
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
Got to be some of the most Holy Ghost filled, righteous, full of faith and power of God that I have ever heard of in my 67 years as an Apostolic that are posting on here.
I wonder if any of you that are so full of so much of God, if you would invite me to come spend some time with you just so I can hear you pray? I would greatly appreciate the opportunity. I would jump at the opportunity to come, rent a motel room in your city, and get together with you for a few days of earnest prayer. It would be a great experience. I've been around some spiritual giants in my life, but nothing to compare to some of you.
But I have to wonder from some here who don't advocate the use of deadly force if they would have done nothing other than calling 911 if this happened to their wife or daughter. The guy who did this was huge, according to the police reporting the story, and it took 5 cops to get him off the woman.
So....think about this and think about your wife or children screaming those words. Do you just call 911 and let the cops handle it, or do you do anything in your power, including the use of deadly force, to stop the perp from hurting your family?
I'm a Christian . . .
But I must not be a very deep, mature Christian . . .
Because I would in all probability "give in" to the flesh.
My wife, however, knows this about me and nevertheless is well pleased with this spiritual weakness of mine . . .
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Engineering solutions for theological problems.
Despite today's rising cost of living, it remains popular.
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." - Sir Winston Churchill
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Sir Winston Churchill
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." - Benjamin Franklin
According to you, as long as the support is made, the man is ok. Well, he's not. He's not providing for his own in all the other ways necessary, thus he is worse than an infidel, as Paul said.
I never said what you said I did here. Never one time. It also is NOT my belief. You not only misrepresent me, but you also do it to Paul. As far as Paul saying what you claim, look again:
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne
See, I knew you'd say I was taking it out of context, but I don't believe Paul was admonishing men to care only monetarily for their own family.
See, perhaps that's what he meant in speaking about others, like the widows and fatherless, but he didn't say that one was worse than an infidel for not providing for those people.
Paul wasn't specific, except to say that if a man doesn't provide (this is an action verb here), he is worse than an infidel. I don't believe Paul was just referring to monetary commitment by the man to his family. Men do that all the time but don't care for their families in any other way. I call them 'deadbeat dads', even if they do pay the child support.
Men are not admonished to care for others the same way they provide for their own.
Too much use of "I" here to merit saying your points establish biblical Truth. The context bears out that the context of Paul's writing is only concerned with reminding a WIDOW’S children and grandchildren to supply her daily sustenance needs. Sorry, but your opinion just does not carry as much weight as Paul's CONTEXT. Remember, in biblical hermeneutics, context is KING.
The no-scripture-needed crowd always use "I think, "I believe," "I think," “could be” or “PERHAPS” when describing private interpretations of Scripture. Where does such a process agree with "rightly diving the WORD of GOD"?
Sola Scriptura, Sister!
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The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere. -DD Benincasa, 12/06/03
Got to be some of the most Holy Ghost filled, righteous, full of faith and power of God that I have ever heard of in my 67 years as an Apostolic that are posting on here.
I wonder if any of you that are so full of so much of God, if you would invite me to come spend some time with you just so I can hear you pray? I would greatly appreciate the opportunity. I would jump at the opportunity to come, rent a motel room in your city, and get together with you for a few days of earnest prayer. It would be a great experience. I've been around some spiritual giants in my life, but nothing to compare to some of you.
Brother Strange, are you a minister of the gospel?
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The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere. -DD Benincasa, 12/06/03
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