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08-27-2007, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth
I know of a church that was out of town at a big meeting. They didn't want to miss some big game.
A friend of mine went to the hotel room where they were all catching the game.
They had the TV on... game playing... and a towel laid over the TV.
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My father was on the Illinois Dist board, and a lady came before the board to testify against a preacher about a sexual affair that they had. Anyways, after sex she got up to turn on the TV, and the preacher told her to leave that Devil box off!
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08-27-2007, 12:37 PM
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I'm confused.
This implies that they didn't lose out with God in their first turning away? It looks to me that you're saying that a liberal church is just a layover stop in a conservative's long, long journey of backsliding.
Is that in there, or am I finding things you didn't intend?
Like I've said before, once one has started to compromise doctrine and truth, not only is it difficult to know where to draw the line, since they have established that they're a compromiser, but they also have compromised their ability to discern untruth.
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Sorry for the confusion.
I got from your post that the conservative position has problems of its own and that Phariseeism, double standard and legalism, etc., can result in people getting hurt or backsliding or whatever.
I'm just saying that taking the liberal road has problems of its own wherein lies great danger and that there is a percentage of people who go that route who lose out with God as a result.
There's danger on both sides of the proverbial fence. The ones you've made note of and the ones I have as well.
Your last paragraph is a definite possibility, not always true though, and of course we have to define doctrinal truth. Even within "the ranks" there is some disagreement as to how doctrinal truth is defined exactly.
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08-27-2007, 12:37 PM
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They had the TV on... game playing... and a towel laid over the TV.
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You have to laugh! (And I have seen similar things as well.)
It is also sad because it is the end result of taking a spiritual principle, making a rule BASED on it that then becomes more "absolute" and "truth" then the principle itself, and you end up with things like listening to a TV with a towel over it. Good Lord.
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08-27-2007, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Pianoman
My father was on the Illinois Dist board, and a lady came before the board to testify against a preacher about a sexual affair that they had. Anyways, after sex she got up to turn on the TV, and the preacher told her to leave that Devil box off! |
Wow... Talk about missing the point huh?
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08-27-2007, 12:45 PM
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My father was on the Illinois Dist board, and a lady came before the board to testify against a preacher about a sexual affair that they had. Anyways, after sex she got up to turn on the TV, and the preacher told her to leave that Devil box off! |
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08-27-2007, 12:45 PM
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Wow... Talk about missing the point huh?
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But such absurdities ARE the end result of legalism run rampant.
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08-27-2007, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Pianoman
My father was on the Illinois Dist board, and a lady came before the board to testify against a preacher about a sexual affair that they had. Anyways, after sex she got up to turn on the TV, and the preacher told her to leave that Devil box off! |
Hey, a man may have certain needs, but principles are principles!
All husbands ought to pray that God show them new things to love in their wives. God is interested in happy, successful, productive marriages. There's a homewrecking floozy behind every corner willing to go for a spin. This is serious business in perilous times. The consequences of failure are neverending, and are meted out most severely on the children. But mainly, men need to know that it takes years to train a new wife!
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08-27-2007, 12:52 PM
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But such absurdities ARE the end result of legalism run rampant.
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Funny as this is, (and true as I don't doubt the reports) I have never been around such people in 22 years and several pastors in the UPC.
I think we are talking about a small, though sometimes vocal fringe in the UPC.
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08-27-2007, 12:57 PM
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I think we are talking about a small, though sometimes vocal fringe in the UPC.
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I would not disagree with that!
However, we're discussing the theoretical end result of "legalism". Taking a principle, making an absolute rule based on that principle -which then becomes more important than the principle itself. NOW were discussing side issues based on the absolute rule which came about as trying to follow a principle.....
"First there were tarot cards, then came along playing cards but due to their resemblance to ancient tarot cards, cannot be played. Then your child brings home flash cards from school but is not allowed to use them because of their resemblance to playing cards..... Finally someone brings a deck of tarot cards to church but it flung out of church because they are too much like flash cards..... THOSE EVIL SCHOOLS!"
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08-27-2007, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Funny as this is, (and true as I don't doubt the reports) I have never been around such people in 22 years and several pastors in the UPC.
I think we are talking about a small, though sometimes vocal fringe in the UPC.
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Just for clarities sake... let me make sure and point out that the incident I shared was not a UPC group.
It was an independent apostolic church.
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