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09-03-2007, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
DB doesn't like Langston's photo. Anyone else w/ him?
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I thought it was interesting... not exactly worthy of judgement though.
On second thought - let's burn it.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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09-03-2007, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by deacon blues
If you no longer want to be in the UPC---leave. I don't understand the "parting shots" mentality. No one left the UPC with more integrity IMO than L.H. Hardwick back in the 60s or 70s. There just seems to be so much poison in Langston's words. His picture doesn't help reinforce the idea that he has the joy of the Lord. How hard is it to smile when you have the Holy Ghost? And I say the same thing when I see flyers for UC meetings and most of the preachers have this same kind of expression on their faces.
Leave with your dignity---just leave and do what you feel you've got to do. He will have to live with these words for the rest of his life. I doubt that he will convince people either way. He will offend those he wants to part ways with and he will feed the bitterness that some ex-UPCers can't seem to let go of.
Just go and do what you gotta do!
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If I am not mistaken I don't think L.H. Hardwick actually left the UPC until around 1986. I know I was very surprised to find that out. I had assumed he had left around the time of KP and MH although he is not a TV preacher.
In a recent church meeting Pastor Hardwick recounted Buck Rambo telling him he wanted to take him to a meeting in New Orleans at Pastor Charles Green's church. Pastor Hardwick went and someone there prophesysed over him that he would be a bridge for people from his religious background. He did not give a timeframe for this meeting but I would assume it would be not long before he left the UPC.
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09-03-2007, 09:59 AM
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I have read the first part of Langston's article and am enjoying it. However he has the same problem I do! He uses way too many exclamation points!
I read an early Jim Yohe book and he did the same thing! Every sentance had one at the end instead of a period!
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09-03-2007, 10:00 AM
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DB,
If everyone left there would be no one left to fight. The ways things are going the upci may not even be a major player of the apostolic mesage in the United States in ten years. Legalists aren't the only ones with a stake in the success of the organization. Somebody has to fight fire with firel.
It's hard to have the joy of the Lord when you so-called brothers are destroying souls twice as fast as they are coming in. It seems unfair those guys with blood on their hands will make it to heaven while countless #'s of people will be lost because of undue pressure. Even the apostoles didn't have the guts to do that to their saints. Somebody has to fight for the lost.
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Originally Posted by deacon blues
If you no longer want to be in the UPC---leave. I don't understand the "parting shots" mentality. No one left the UPC with more integrity IMO than L.H. Hardwick back in the 60s or 70s. There just seems to be so much poison in Langston's words. His picture doesn't help reinforce the idea that he has the joy of the Lord. How hard is it to smile when you have the Holy Ghost? And I say the same thing when I see flyers for UC meetings and most of the preachers have this same kind of expression on their faces.
Leave with your dignity---just leave and do what you feel you've got to do. He will have to live with these words for the rest of his life. I doubt that he will convince people either way. He will offend those he wants to part ways with and he will feed the bitterness that some ex-UPCers can't seem to let go of.
Just go and do what you gotta do!
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Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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09-03-2007, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Elaborate please.
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If a minister leaves "under question" (let's say preaching on TV) he cannot minister for UPC churches.... But if he leaves first, then developes a huge TV ministery, he can then preach for any and all UPC??
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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09-03-2007, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by CC1
I have read the first part of Langston's article and am enjoying it. However he has the same problem I do! He uses way too many exclamation points!
I read an early Jim Yohe book and he did the same thing! Every sentance had one at the end instead of a period!
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This my friends! Comes from sitting under "annointed preaching" for way too long!!!!
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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09-03-2007, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
If a minister leaves "under question" (let's say preaching on TV) he cannot minister for UPC churches.... But if he leaves first, then developes a huge TV ministery, he can then preach for any and all UPC??
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Could ministers be blacklisted as "under question" post dropping or being stripped from their license?
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09-03-2007, 10:06 AM
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God's Son
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What would have happened to the NT church if Paul decided to move on and not confront they hyporcisy of Peter?
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A religious spirit allows people to tolerate hatred and anger under the guise of passion and holiness. Bill Johnson
Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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09-03-2007, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by tv1a
DB,
If everyone left there would be no one left to fight. The ways things are going the upci may not even be a major player of the apostolic mesage in the United States in ten years. Legalists aren't the only ones with a stake in the success of the organization. Somebody has to fight fire with firel.
It's hard to have the joy of the Lord when you so-called brothers are destroying souls twice as fast as they are coming in. It seems unfair those guys with blood on their hands will make it to heaven while countless #'s of people will be lost because of undue pressure. Even the apostoles didn't have the guts to do that to their saints. Somebody has to fight for the lost.
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Seems there are many who don't like the either/or choices.
Either we are legalists or we have a hands off approach on Christian apparel and adornment? I think not.
It is nice that the Holy Spirt leads and guides, but that does not tie the hands of church leadership when addressing the string bikini wear'in chior member.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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09-03-2007, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Could ministers be blacklisted as "under question" post dropping or being stripped from their license?
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Possibly. Or they may also be exonerated post exodus.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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