Are The 70.Wks Of Daniel Fulfilled ?

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

I'm not dogmatic about this stuff,and I'm still reading and studying.
Certainly it's not worth making enemies over.

I am enjoying your comments Brother Scott....

I would like to have more time to make more in-depth commentary but currently I do not. But, again, your commentary in this thread has been very enjoyable.

Originally Posted by onlygrace

Wow, so six days later, Jesus expected most of His disciples to be dead? Think about what you are saying. According to His statement, only a few of them would see Him coming into His Kingdom. Some
would not taste of death until He came into His Kingdom. But six days later would it not make more sense for Him to say that all would see Him come into His Kingdom if it was just six days later?

That is not what I said nor is it part of the conversation.

Originally Posted by mfblume

Mizpeh and Believer, I hate to disagree with both of you, but here is my take. lol. The kingdom is NOW -- it does not -- nor ever will -- come with observation, but is the sort of thing that is IN YOU. We will never see the Kingdom, itself. We will only see the EFFECTS of it.

He is on the throne of David NOW. Without complicating Acts 2, and adding things it does not say, Acts 2 shows this to be true.

I absolutely see no millennium at all in our future. Hebrews 9 shows us that the idea of an apparent failure of God's promises to Israel in seeing them away from God, for the most part in that day, was not clarified by Paul by saying "Ahh, but in the future millennium the promises will be fulfilled to Israel." HE WOULD HAVE SAID THAT IF THERE WAS A MILLENNIUM TO COME, because that is exactly what futurists state will cause fulfillment of promises to Israel. But NOWHERE does Paul say ANYTHING about such a millennium. Instead he simply says, "NOT ALL ISRAEL IS ISRAEL." In other words, when we consider the promises of God to "Israel", we are meant to realize that not everyone who is called "Israel" is actually the intended "ISRAEL" in God's mind. And it mentions that "the children of promise are counted for the seed." And when you read Galatians 4, you see that THE GENTILE BELIEVERS OF THE CHURCH are included as THE CHILDREN OF PROMISE, as well as the born again Jews.



Israel will NEVER get the kingdom again. It was taken from them and given to another nation -- the church -- and Jesus said nothing about it ever returning to Israel, despite what prophecy pundits tell us.

It seems to me according to these scriptures that the LORD was speaking about an eartly throne.

2Sa 7:13 "He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.
2Sa 7:16 "Your house and your kingdom shall endure before Me forever; your throne shall be established forever."'"

[onlygrace]

Originally Posted by mfblume

the end of Matt 16 says MANY OF THEM who were there would see his coming. Not all.

Not to split hairs but it actually says "some" would not taste of death.

[onlygrace]

Originally Posted by Believer

That is not what I said nor is it part of the conversation.

Post #42Mat 16:28 "Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

Some scholars believe this was fulfilled in the next chapter.

Mat 17:1 Six days later Jesus *took with Him Peter and James and John his brother, and *led them up on a high mountain by themselves.
Mat 17:2 And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light.

Post #53It is a possibility, lets take a look at the scriptures in sequence.

Mat 16:28 "Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

Mat 17:1 Six days later Jesus *took with Him Peter and James and John his brother, and *led them up on a high mountain by themselves.


something to think about.


Maybe I misunderstood you. But you seem to be saying that it is a possibility that Mat 16:28 was fulfilled in Mat. 17 at His transfiguration.

[onlygrace]

Originally Posted by Believer

It seems to me according to these scriptures that the LORD was speaking about an eartly throne.

2Sa 7:13 "He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.
2Sa 7:16 "Your house and your kingdom shall endure before Me forever; your throne shall be established forever."'"

This Scripture says nothing about an earthly throne. What it is saying is that God would establish the throne of His (Jesus) Kingdom forever. If you want to find out about Jesus's Kingdom, how about considering what He taught about His Kingdom?

Originally Posted by onlygrace

This Scripture says nothing about an earthly throne. What it is saying is that God would establish the throne of His (Jesus) Kingdom forever. If you want to find out about Jesus's Kingdom, how about considering what He taught about His Kingdom?

Was King David's throne in heaven or earth?

Speaking of the Son....

Isa 9:7 There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom, To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness From then on and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will accomplish this.

This is not talking about a heavenly throne, unless you believe that God is sitting on Davids throne in heaven?

Luk 1:31 "And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus.
Luk 1:32 "He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David;

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Believer

Was King David's throne in heaven or earth?

What does it matter? The point is that David's descendant would rule. David ruled in Zion. Zion is where we've come to in the spiritual (Heb 12:22). I do not think that the bible is urging us to consider that Christ must reign on the earth since David's throne was on earth. It's speaking of David's dynasty. Otherwise it conflicts with plain statements that say the kingdom does not come with observation. All the passages used to point to the millennium are actually speaking of the church age.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Believer

It seems to me according to these scriptures that the LORD was speaking about an eartly throne.

2Sa 7:13 "He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.
2Sa 7:16 "Your house and your kingdom shall endure before Me forever; your throne shall be established forever."'"

Why would those passages indicate an earthly throne? As I said, the idea of an earthly throne is never explicitly noted, and Christ is already on the throne. Psalm 110 shows He sits at the right hand ruling. This is fulfilled. Eph 1 notes this. I do not think folks stopped to think that His rule in Eph 1 , which is now, is the fulfillment of the prophecy you mentioned.

The HOUSE of David is not literally speaking of the luxurious shack David lived in. Same with the throne. It's David's dynasty.

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Originally Posted by onlygrace

I disagree with you here. Nowhere does Jesus teach an earthly Kingdom. He taught the opposite. His Kingdom is not of this world. John 18:36Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence

Luke 17:20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Exactly!