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Old 09-11-2007, 10:40 AM
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There is still a right way and a wrong way to deal with issues. Two wrongs (by the perception of some) don't make a right.

Its wrong for pastors to take money that has been raised, given and designated for a particular cause and use it for another cause without FIRST obtaining the permission of those that gave and raised the money.

If I give $100 for SFC, I expect it to be submitted as a SFC offering to the powers that be. I don't expect my pastor to take my $100 and use it as mad money. He does not have this authority. Its not his money.
You are spot on! I would be upset if I gave in a special offering or fundraiser for a certain cause, and then later find out it was used for some other purpose!

This happened to me about 25 years ago. We had a popular young man in our church that was killed in a motorcycle accident. The youth raised money to build a memorial flag pole in his honor. I know that several people in the church donated including myself raising at least a couple thousand dollars.

To make a long story short, the flagpole memorial was never built and the money was deposited into the general church account. If they didn't raise enough $$, the church body should have been informed, and maybe something else purchased or built within the raised budget in memory of the young man.
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:25 AM
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Stepping is part of pagan tribal culture. This has nothing to do with "black culture".
you need to pay more attention to "black culture" if you really think that...

Plus, baptism, crosses, speaking in tongues, healings, and praying are part of pagan tribal rituals... Are you suggesting we stop doing/using those things???

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Consider the "Sun dance". When native americans are CONVERTED to CHRISTIANITY, should we suggest and promote the native american Sun Dance around our altars?
If they are just doing similar dances because its what they do, sure why not? If they are actually doing the sun dance, of course not...

Stepping might have started in Africa as some sort of pagan thing, but it is not that anymore and hasn't been in America for a long time...

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There are celtic dances and rituals, and other eurocentric rites that are prevailent among native european "white" culture. Should we endorse that kind of activity around our altars once these "celts" and "druids" are CONVERTED to CHRISTIANITY?
You aren't going to believe me, but by and large, we do promote those things... There are tons of European Pagan things that we have taken on and don't even think twice about...

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This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE, COLOR, OR CREED.
Not on purpose... But it absolutely has to do with the fact that its a different culture and thus they don't like it...

It is human nature to dislike things different from oneself, and that is exactly what is happening here.

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It has everything to do with what is appropriate around our CHRISTIAN altars! This has nothing to do with race, it has everything to do with being Christian!
If we really wanted to talk about Biblical Christian Altars we wouldn't have altars... A Christian altar is not a stage, but a human heart... We are the Temple of the Holy Ghost, the Temple of God, not some building with a stage...

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17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Then you need to stop listening to that evil saloon music that you call Southern Gospel...

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13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
If you take this this literally, Paul didn't even listen to it, because Paul used and wrote about the philosophy he learned prior to conversion in his letters in the Bible... How can you forget everything that came before yet still use knowledge you acquired before conversion???

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for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
Hey, you apply this across the board and I'd at least respect the attempt at application... But you aren't going to... You are going to keep white (or converted white) kinds of music (Country & Pop styles plus, at minimum, light rock and even a little hip hop with choirs and such)... But anything deep in "black culture" in America or elsewhere you are going to reject...
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:29 AM
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I have no problem with "stepping" or other choreographed dancing in church.

However it is a stretch to say opposition to it is racism. Too much of a stretch.

In the case of conservative Pentecostals they would have the same objection to square dancing in the church and it does not come any more "white" than that!!!

I hate rap music because it is stupid. It has no tune or melody, etc, etc. Does that make me racist? I also hate Polka music. Does that make me anti German? What about Blue Grass? I don't like it. Does that make me anti Red Neck?
I'm not sayign they are racist (I said that in what you are responding to as well)...

I am saying that there are racial/cultural reasons for the objections... It isn't a part of old, white preacher's cultures so they object to it... It is a part of young mostly black black urban cultures, so those people like it...

and no those things don't make you racist, none of this makes you racist... Stating that an objection to something has racial undertones (really, cultural undertones but the cultures are split along racial lines) isn't saying people are racist....

The point is you don't have to like it, but you shouldn't object to something because you don't understand it...
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:31 AM
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It is interesting that overseas folks in church...women.. children..men dance together and it's cheorgraphed and we have no problem with that... but in America...IT's not allowed...custom or no...
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It is interesting that overseas folks in church...women.. children..men dance together and it's cheorgraphed and we have no problem with that... but in America...IT's not allowed...custom or no...
I wonder if King David did a cheorgrphed step or two when the Ark was coming home?

For the record, I never liked the Hokey Pokey nor would I endorse it as a worship dance.........
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I wonder if King David did a cheorgrphed step or two when the Ark was coming home?

For the record, I never liked the Hokey Pokey nor would I endorse it as a worship dance.........
Or at a Funeral....
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It is interesting that overseas folks in church...women.. children..men dance together and it's cheorgraphed and we have no problem with that... but in America...IT's not allowed...custom or no...
I HAVE noticed this.
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It is interesting that overseas folks in church...women.. children..men dance together and it's cheorgraphed and we have no problem with that... but in America...IT's not allowed...custom or no...
That's because America rules!!! The rest are mere wannabes!
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I wonder if King David did a cheorgrphed step or two when the Ark was coming home?

For the record, I never liked the Hokey Pokey nor would I endorse it as a worship dance.........
I had to do the Hokey Pokey in elementary school P.E. class and have never repented for it... do I need to?
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Old 09-11-2007, 12:23 PM
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Then you need to stop listening to that evil saloon music that you call Southern Gospel...




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