The Eulogy Begins - Page 33

mfblume · #**321** 10-01-2007, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by triumphant1

It is like they are incapable of seeing this fact...

They have convinced themselves of the "redeeming value/no redeeming value" mantra that was put out during the first TV debate in recent history by the cons...

Fact is, I have not pastored ONE TV problem...but have had to deal with the Internet on several occasions...and I would be safe to bet that the same is true for the other pastors here....

They are blindly following a rule! That is it -- period!

CC1 · #**322** 10-01-2007, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Were you on a local cable station? You are a wonderful couple and your avatar is nice, but the cameras pick up people and make them look pale and also larger. It's been a long time since I have viewed anything so maybe things have changed.

EB,

I directed and produced a Oneness Pentecostal television program for almost a decade. Some of that time we were a national telecast on a major Christian network (Inspirational Network).

Not one time did the preacher ever wear any makeup. I think you are confusing filmmaking of dramas,etc with other type programming.

So do you think that football players and basketball players but on makeup before their games are televised? LOL!!!!

Way back in the 50's and 60's video cameras were so bad that many did wear makeup to make things look right, making up for what the bad TV cameras did. However that has not been true for about 30 years now.

A person could use makeup to hide a bad blemish or even out splotches or something but I think very few preachers you see on TV use makeup. (At least not the male ones!)

BobDylan · #**323** 10-01-2007, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Mods and libs are not "in control."

We are still a very, very, very, conservative and traditional organization.

Anyone who thinks the UPC became lib overnight is delusional.

Their are certain ideologies deeply entrenched in us - a way of thinking that is woven into the fabric of our cognitive processes.

How can we overcome this deeply entrenched mindset and paradigm that seems to hinder the work of God rather than advance it?

triumphant1 · #**324** 10-01-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

12% OF ALL INTERNET WEBSITES ARE PORNOGRAPHIC.

25% OF ALL INTERNET SEARCHES ARE PORNOGRAPHIC.

35% OF ALL INTERNET DOWNLOADS ARE PORNOGRAPHIC.

EVERY SECOND 28,258 INTERNET USERS ARE VIEWING PORNOGRAPHY.

EVERY SECOND $89.00 IS SPENT ON INTERNET PORNOGRAPHY.

EVERY DAY 266 NEW PORN SITES APPEAR ON THE INTERNET.

"SEX" IS THE MOST SEARCHED WORD ON THE INTERNET.

U.S. REVENUE FROM PORN ON THE INTERNET FOR 2006 WAS $2.84 BILLION.

72% OF INTERNET PORN USERS ARE MEN.

70% OF INTERNET PORN USE OCCURS DURING THE 9-5 WORKDAY.

THERE ARE AN ESTIMATED 372,000,000 PORN WEB PAGES, 3% PRODUCED BY THE U.K, 4% PRODUCED BY GERMANY, AND 89% PRODUCED BY THE USA.

With even U.S. preachers saying internet is okay, but TV is not, no wonder the stats exist as they do for the USA. lol

You will not find those stats associated with TV!! Something is upsidedown!

The stats don't lie....but can they be admitted to?

I'll say it again...if I took a no TV stand...I could not justify allowing the Internet...but that's just me!

BobDylan · #**325** 10-01-2007, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Then encourage them make good decisions. Teach them how to tell what sort of programming to stay away from. Teach what worldliness is then they can not only use it OUT there in the world and on the internet but on TV too. This is a principle we need for life everywhere. Just legislating "no TV" is not going to make them more spiritual.

And it remains to be seen that TV has "virtually no redeeming value"...that's the same broken record we here over and over as if we are all supposed to just agree with you on it. I do not agree with you on it. It's not TV that has redeeming value or does not have redeeming value and neither does the Internet. They are both neutral mediums that can be used for whatever purpose that people use it for. Same goes for print and radio. We didn't let the devil have the internet all to himself, why do the same with TV?

Television advertising has been proven to move "product" so-to-speak. Television has been proven to shape and mold opinion... in good ways AND in bad ways.... the most influential media available today is the TV... if the influence of TV can be harnassed to communcate the truth, to influence towards what is right, how can it possibly be said that "there is no redeeming value in the use of TV"? I agree with you Prax, just because this mantra has been parroted over the years, doesn't necessarily mean that people with brains and who can think critically and analytically have to buy into and subscribe to that mantra... In fact, I don't think subscribing to that mantra is necessary in order to maintain a conservative identity. I don't think that just because the UPC has passed a resolution allowing the use of the most influential and diverse media availabe today for the purpose of advancing the gospel, means that everything is lost.

mfblume · #**326** 10-01-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by triumphant1

The stats don't lie....but can they be admitted to?

I'll say it again...if I took a no TV stand...I could not justify allowing the Internet...but that's just me!

Same with me. I always believed we should be Christians and avoid what is wrong, just as we do in everyday life.

Ron · #**327** 10-01-2007, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by triumphant1

The stats don't lie....but can they be admitted to?

I'll say it again...if I took a no TV stand...I could not justify allowing the Internet...but that's just me!

To tell you the truth, both have failings to them. I have time to be on the internet because I am recovering from surgery on my foot & the doc says
1 more week off.

I am bored!

However, people are missing the point with TV-at the very least it is a time waster!

Do you really want all those ads to come into your home?
Ad agencies have execs regularly make 6 figure salary's or more because they
know that ADVERTISING WORKS!

Now, we haven't even touched on the programs yet, but with two strikes against it---why do you still defend it??

It seems as if it is a "Godly Right" we need to justify?

BobDylan · #**328** 10-01-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by triumphant1

I'll take the heat...but it is true.

TV is much safer than the Internet any day!!! There are way too many horror stories out there to prove it...

Have you ever watched, "To Catch A Predator" on MSNBC.....they haul them in by the dozens setting up an Internet sting in cities around the states...these guys think they are going to meet some child they hooked up with on the Internet...but NO...it is that news reporter and the local police...

No meetings like that have ever been set up by a predator using TV...but the Internet has "redeeming value" and TV does not....

Why is it that cons disregard facts like this in their elevation of internet as "redeemable", and their condemnation of television as "irredeemable"?

BobDylan · #**329** 10-01-2007, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

To tell you the truth, both have failings to them. I have time to be on the internet because I am recovering from surgery on my foot & the doc says
1 more week off.

I am bored!

However, people are missing the point with TV-at the very least it is a time waster!

Do you really want all those ads to come into your home?
Ad agencies have execs regularly make 6 figure salary's or more because they
know that ADVERTISING WORKS!
Now, we haven't even touched on the programs yet, but with two strikes against it---why do you still defend it??

It seems as if it is a "Godly Right" we need to justify?

BINGO!!!!! If it works, then why shouldn't we use it?

Allowing advertising DOES NOT equate to the full uninhibited acceptance of TV.... if internet can be embraced with controlls and discression, why not TV? If internet can be allowed with filters, then why not TV? Or rather, why not just allow TV advertising, and then teach about the wisdom of not having one in the home? I don't see this as a double standard at all!!! If advertising works, let's use it!

Ron · #**330** 10-01-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BobDylan

BINGO!!!!! If it works, then why shouldn't we use it?

I agree with you it works-but only it certain mediums.
An idiot box is great for getting things of the world pushed onto people.
This salvation message was meant for a "one on one" or "personal touch"
not a "reach out and touch your wide screen TV'S and yea let the Lord heal
thee of that sickness!"