No one is not saying he did not profess his faith ... he did so in many ways I'm sure ... but there is no evidence of the slant we've preached that he went around w/ a bullhorn preaching repentance ....
Daniel Alicea's answer is technically correct.
I've certainly heard preachers through the years share their speculations as truths though. It's a bad practice to get into, no matter how good you can make it sound.
No one is not saying he did not profess his faith ... he did so in many ways I'm sure ... but there is no evidence of the slant we've preached that he went around w/ a bullhorn preaching repentance ....
The issue is that you seem to be minimizing his preaching to simple living righteous in front of everyone. But with Peter calling him a PREACHER of Righteousness, it is obvious that he did PREACH or proclaim that those around him needed to get right (live righteous). This would correspond to a God of Grace giving the hearers every chance possible to "turn, and not burn"
Indeed ... but we preach it as if he was preaching Last Days Crusades.
Right. lol. I agree. It is error.
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The issue is that you seem to be minimizing his preaching to simple living righteous in front of everyone. But with Peter calling him a PREACHER of Righteousness, it is obvious that he did PREACH or proclaim that those around him needed to get right (live righteous). This would correspond to a God of Grace giving the hearers every chance possible to "turn, and not burn"
Not minimizing it ... simply ... I will not add to the Word.
Not minimizing it ... simply ... I will not add to the Word.
Since we are on the subject of Noah and error... how long did it take Noah to build the ark or, for sake of continuation of the thought, how long did Noah preach regardless whether he had a pulpit or a crusade tent? All my life I heard 120 years I believe.
Sorry, can you show me where Noah preached? I can't find it. I know that's always how I've heard the story told, and you could be right. Not being a smart alec!
There is no evidence Noah preached to the unsaved in Genesis 6 or 7...
There is only this reference in 2 Peter that can be interpreted in various ways ...
2 Peter 2:5For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5: And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly.
I guess one can say that the ark itself was a testament .... of what was going to happen ... I'm sure he got questioned about it.
So, back to the point. God's judgment on California. Whether Noah (futilely) preached repentance before the flood or not, he didn't try to save anyone after the flood started. Why should California be any different? If God wants to kill people, why not let him? Why get in his way?
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How do you know you would not be helping the one that God wants spared?
How do you know you would not be saving the one that God wants dead? That seems more likely, given your claim that these fires are God's doing! Besides, couldn't God save the ones he wants to spare?
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Since we are on the subject of Noah and error... how long did it take Noah to build the ark or, for sake of continuation of the thought, how long did Noah preach regardless whether he had a pulpit or a crusade tent? All my life I heard 120 years I believe.
Genesis 6:3 is one verse used to get to that. Many feel this verse is what Peter had in mind when he mentions God's "longsuffering..." Since Peter associates this longsuffering to the time in which the ark was being built, it is reasonable to put the two together. Not a slam dunk case, but reasonable.
Also, just because the "preacher of righteousness" thing hasn't been beat entirely to death yet... Peter quotes from the Book of Enoch in his work; so he was obviously familiar with that book. In the Book of Enoch there is a section where Noah tells of his ancestor, "the seventh from Adam" who was "taken up." It is this passage that Peter quotes. The NT quotes of the Book of Enoch are all from this section, one that purports to have had Noah as the source.
The idea of a "preacher of righteousness" may come from the descriptions given in the Book of Enoch. Here Noah is seen not really preaching to "outsiders" but righteousness to his 3 sons.
Genesis 6:3 is one verse used to get to that. Many feel this verse is what Peter had in mind when he mentions God's "longsuffering..." Since Peter associates this longsuffering to the time in which the ark was being built, it is reasonable to put the two together. Not a slam dunk case, but reasonable.
Also, just because the "preacher of righteousness" thing hasn't been beat entirely to death yet... Peter quotes from the Book of Enoch in his work; so he was obviously familiar with that book. In the Book of Enoch there is a section where Noah tells of his ancestor, "the seventh from Adam" who was "taken up." It is this passage that Peter quotes. The NT quotes of the Book of Enoch are all from this section, one that purports to have had Noah as the source.
The idea of a "preacher of righteousness" may come from the descriptions given in the Book of Enoch. Here Noah is seen not really preaching to "outsiders" but righteousness to his 3 sons.
Maybe the BofE should have been in the canon. Was it a candidate?
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