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Joseph Miller · #51 10-26-2007, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Actually Daniel, If I was the UPC pastor in that area, I would not be real happy that a UPC man is coming to anther NON UPC church in my city, and in many ways working against my local assembly.

So my question first would be WHY is the EVANGELIST not going to the local UPC church instead??

I hope I am not understanding what your saying. What I read here is that the UPCI evangelist would be working against the UPCI church if he preaches for a church in that city not in the org.

I preach in some towns for the UPCI one night and the ALJC the next. It is not working against anyone. We are all part of the Kingdom of God.

mizpeh · #52 10-26-2007, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

There was a time when it would have bothered me, but no more Matthew.

No man can move anyone God wants to plant in the assembly I pastor, and no attempts at pastoral control will cause them to stay if God wants them to leave.

I have learned this lesson the hard way. The very, very hard way.

I have lived what I am typing about.

It's tough to do, but these are not my people - they are God's.

You're right.

stmatthew · #53 10-26-2007, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

There was a time when it would have bothered me, but no more Matthew.

No man can move anyone God wants to plant in the assembly I pastor, and no attempts at pastoral control will cause them to stay if God wants them to leave.

I have learned this lesson the hard way. The very, very hard way.

I have lived what I am typing about.

It's tough to do, but these are not my people - they are God's.

I probably should have said you are a BETTER man, cause you would have to be mighty big to be a BIGGER man.

I bow to your superior experience. I have not been there, and have not done it, so I don't have the Grace that God has bestowed upon you.

Nahum · #54 10-26-2007, 08:29 PM

Think of it this way.

If you were this evangelist - deriving income from meetings such as the one just cancelled - how long would you keep your license? What benefit would there be to holding a license?

At this point it becomes a shackle instead of a blessing.

Please, please do not misunderstand me. I am not bashing the UPC. I am simply pointing out the fact that we are cutting off our nose to spite our face.

anapko · #55 10-26-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Further fragmentation will occur in the future.

Very few men want this type of control exerted.

A big amen to you PP, Peter said for the ministry to NOT be LORDS over God's heritage.

(Loved your Mary thread, why didn't you get back on it?)

Joseph Miller · #56 10-26-2007, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

I did not say working against ME, I said IN MANY WAYS working against the LOCAL UPC ASSEMBLY.

I honestly don't care one way or the other. To me, if the Kingdom is built, go for it! But put yourself in the position of that local home missions church pastor that is struggling to grow his church, and along comes a man IN HIS ORG, and goes across town to hold a crusade for a NON UPC church.

My first impression is that the evangelist must be too big to go help the home missions church, cause they will not be able to give him a BIG OFFERING.

Of course all this is supposition because you have not really presented ALL the pertinent info for us to come to a really logical and balance conclusion on the matter.

Are we sure the UPCI church is a home mission church?

I have preached at independant or other org home mission churches because the UPCI church that was larger didn't preach unknown preachers.

Nahum · #57 10-26-2007, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

I probably should have said you are a BETTER man, cause you would have to be mighty big to be a BIGGER man.

I bow to your superior experience. I have not been there, and have not done it, so I don't have the Grace that God has bestowed upon you.

Bro, please don't think I'm being an arrogant know-it-all, because that is not how I meant to come across at all.

I'm saying I have fumbled the ball big-time on this one before. The COACH slapped me around hard for it.

It was, and is, one of the greatest regrets of my ministry.

stmatthew · #58 10-26-2007, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by anapko81

Don't mean to disagree with you bro but to ascribe authority on a whim as resolution 3 apparently does, does not justify forbidding said preacher one day before the meeting is to start. Common courtesy, decency, etc. is in order. I don't have much respect for said DS!

And you have personal knowledge that the issue was given to the DS weeks prior to his doing this, and he simply waited until the last minute out of a mean spirit to cause problems with the non UPC church??? Could it be that the DS got the complaint and immediately made the call after reviewing it???

Like I said, we don't have all the fact of the case to really give this a credible judgment, if our judgment would be credible at all.

anapko · #59 10-26-2007, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Working against you? Are you for real? Why is it the big wigs can preach where they want? Are you suggesting that evangelists must be locked in to the fellowship only?

We're talking about Apostolic brethren!!!

Amen to the Brother! To play favorites, as this resolution will further prove, will be damaging to spiritual growth in the church. Or to simply say, UPC preachers, your job is to not get close to Jesus, it is to get close to your DS!!!