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11-03-2007, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by chosenbyone
Very true, Esther.
People need to learn not only the biblical accounts of women ministers but our own Pentecostal history, which saw many women missionaries start works throughout the world that have continued to this day. The following is an excerpt from a book I read, which I found on the web:
Therefore, in appearing first to Mary Magdalene, Jesus was making a very important statement to His followers. It was a statement, perhaps, that they could not have grasped and retained by a mere lecture. This statement was further clarified and enhanced by the words which Jesus spoke to her on this occasion. When Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene He gave her certain, specific instructions. Matthew 28:10 records His words to Mary: "Go and tell my brethren...." In other words, He sent her on a specific mission defined by the words, "Go and tell." Interestingly, the New Testament word apostle literally means "one who is sent" or "a sent one." Mary, therefore, was a "sent one" and as such received the first apostolic commission from the Risen Lord.
[I]In verses 3-5 of the same chapter, Paul refers to Priscilla and Aquila and the church that is in their house. Priscilla and Aquila are always mentioned together in Scripture which indicates that they worked and ministered together as a husband and wife team. This is confirmed by Acts 18:26 where both Priscilla and Aquila took Apollos aside and both explained to him the way of God more accurately. Many commentators feel that because, in the Greek, Priscilla is always mentioned first, that she was the spiritually gifted one and probably the pastor of the church that was in their home. Priscilla knew that she was called to "Go and Tell."
In verse 7 of the same chapter, Paul sends greetings to Andronicus and Junia who are of note among the apostles. Junia is a feminine name and so we have here a woman who is recognized by Paul as an apostle. We thus see that in the New Testament church, women as well as men functioned as apostles. Junia, as "a sent one" had, like Mary, been commissioned by the Lord to "Go and Tell." In Philippians 4:3, Paul urges the church at Philippi to help those women [Euodia and Syntyche] who labored with me in the gospel. The word "labor," which Paul uses here, refers to the exertion and effort that is required in preaching and teaching. This reminds us of the admonition of Jesus in Matthew 9:38 for His disciples to pray that the Lord of the harvest would send out laborers into His harvest. Also note that Paul says that these women labored "with" him, not under him./I]
Go and Tell! God's Word to Women in the 21st Century
by Eddie L. Hyatt, D.Min., M.Div., M.A.
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You just posted an article by my uncle!!!!!! (he's actually the former B-I-L of my aunt, her first husband which is Eddie Hyatt's brother passed away. So anyway we now claim him as a uncle!)
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11-03-2007, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Isa 3:12
"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and DESTROY the way of thy paths."
Women teaching men was unacceptable in the scriptures.
Prove that any women taught married or single adult men.
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That scripture still doesn't prove that pricilla taught or did not teach anyone. It just isn't recorded in the bible either way.
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11-03-2007, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear
My friend How DO YOU think she lead an army?
All I do know id THAT THOSE THAT DID NOT HELP HER WERE CURSED strange as it may seem to you she judged ALL Israel for 40 years and enjoyed God's blessings...
Hulda told both priests and king what to do USING The words THUS SAITH THE LORD... sounds like she had some spiritual force in her words.
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Show me the scriptures where Deborah LEAD the armies of Israel.
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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear
This is a question for you Evangelist B.
If you were to have been born in pagan darkness and ONE woman had the key to bring you the message would you choose eternal pagan darkness and eternity in hell or hear the words of life from a woman preacher? remember it is a woman and she will baptize you because there is no man...
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Sister God would send me a man to baptize me and a man to teach me.
Sorry Sister I had a man lead me out of pagan darkness and baptize me in Jesus name.
Sister how large is the Assembly of God and God is Love in Brazil?
Respectfully
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
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11-03-2007, 11:36 PM
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That scripture still doesn't prove that pricilla taught or did not teach anyone. It just isn't recorded in the bible either way.
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Okay, so you're saying that the information we have on Pricilla cannot be used to prove either position. So again we see that there is no Bible to support female New Covenant elders. Thanks for your input!
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11-03-2007, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by nwlife
That scripture still doesn't prove that pricilla taught or did not teach anyone. It just isn't recorded in the bible either way.
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Of course it does. The same way a Trinitarian refuses to see the obvious is the same way an agenda keeper will not see the obvious on many other issues. It's as plain as rain my dear. Isaiah is talking about a backslidden Israel having the immature and females having the rule. It would have been impossible for a woman to be over a man in a teaching capacity during the first century Israel.
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11-03-2007, 11:36 PM
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I don't like to write on this subject but I know very personally how it feels to stand before naked warriors...I know the fear of being a lone young lady and witchdoctors come angry at me waving black chickens telling me they are going to curse me and kill me for comong into their villages...I know the fear of standing in an indian village wondering if i would come out alive, I know the fear of going into leper colonies and spending the night among lepers, eating their food. I know the fear of being alone in villages and bandits pulling guns on me and dope lords telling me to leave...yet I did not leave...I know the fear of the police more times than one begging me not to go to certain villages as they feared for my life...
I know the fear of looking evil devil worshippers in the eyes knowing they could and would rape me if the angel of the Lord did not stand between us...
My dear friend all your greek and whatever will never outspeak the life and death of the first men and women that went everywhere preaching the word of God..acts 8:3,4
Read about the ladies that were tortured and pulled apart joint by joint...
When Jesus said you shall be my witnesses he was really saying you shall be my martyrs...
Maybe you should read about the women in the arenas of Rome and the saints of Ceasar's household...
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11-03-2007, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by nahkoe
Thank you! That did help.
I figured it was a user error re: google. Any suggestions what I should be typing in to find the sort of thing you posted here?
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Your welcome
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~Declaration of Independence
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11-03-2007, 11:38 PM
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I need a Triple Espresso, NOW!
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Standing at the crossroads of life!
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Originally Posted by LordChocolate
Mr EB. Wow! I had no idea Christians were supposed to be so mean. I do not have most women that call themselves preachers preach for me. Nor do I have most men. However, Sis Alvear, Sis George, Sis Jackson can come and preach for me anytime. ANYONE that has won as many souls as these ladies, can preach to me anytime. There are no clear cut scriptures that tell us they cannot. SO, instead of putting my hand against their work, I would like to join them because they are doing the work I am not willing to do. Also, have you won as many souls as Sis Alvear? Sis George? Sis Freeman? Sis Tolstad? If you have, God bless you I will not say anymore to you but if you have not, remember when the boys came to Jesus and told him about some people that were having success in the name of Jesus that was not part of the "12"? Jesus said to leave them alone if they are not against us they are for us. My spouse attempts to model her life after these ladies and I for one applaud. Keep on preaching Gentlemen and Ladies we must get the gospel to the world.
Sincerely,
One who is tired of seeing the body of Christ fight over frivolous reasons and ignorant rantings
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Mark 9:37-41 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
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37Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.
38And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
39But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
40For he that is not against us is on our part.
41For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.
Is this the scripture? I just love the way Jesus settles things!!!
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11-03-2007, 11:40 PM
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Sister Alvear
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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Originally Posted by nahkoe
Thank you! That did help.
I figured it was a user error re: google. Any suggestions what I should be typing in to find the sort of thing you posted here?
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You may order a good book about this from Bishop John Scheels
Apple St Beebe Arkansas...Lighthouse Pentecostal church... He is a graduate
of Harvard Univ. in fact his thesis was women in ministry.
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11-03-2007, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear
I don't like to write on this subject but I know very personally how it feels to stand before naked warriors...I know the fear of being a lone young lady and witchdoctors come angry at me waving black chickens telling me they are going to curse me and kill me for comong into their villages...I know the fear of standing in an indian village wondering if i would come out alive, I know the fear of going into leper colonies and spending the night among lepers, eating their food. I know the fear of being alone in villages and bandits pulling guns on me and dope lords telling me to leave...yet I did not leave...I know the fear of the police more times than one begging me not to go to certain villages as they feared for my life...
I know the fear of looking evil devil worshippers in the eyes knowing they could and would rape me if the angel of the Lord did not stand between us...
My dear friend all your greek and whatever will never outspeak the life and death of the first men and women that went everywhere preaching the word of God..acts 8:3,4
Read about the ladies that were tortured and pulled apart joint by joint...
When Jesus said you shall be my witnesses he was really saying you shall be my martyrs...
Maybe you should read about the women in the arenas of Rome and the saints of Ceasar's household...
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Sister you need to think about what you're saying.
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