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10-22-2007, 04:27 PM
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I posted a question along this line on Godplace. I hope mentioning other forums here is ok
but here is what I posted there and it comes from me talking to some from the church of Christ, that believe the gifts have ceased
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I have been talking to some that believe the Gifts of the spirit have ceased, and one of the arguments that I hear about this is that we do not see today the miracles like they had back in the bible times, We dont see the dead raised or people that have been crippled since birth get up and walk. And also back then people were healed right then and wern't seeking to be healed for a long time.
Back then it was immediate, like in Acts 3
Acts 3:6-7 (KJV)6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. 7 And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.
It was immediate, not over a period of time he got better.
1 Why do we not see miracles like are recorded in the Bible? Is it because it was only for back then or is it that things have changed in mankind that we dont rely on God like back then, or any other reasons you may have?
2 If the purpose of miracles was to confirm the word of God, then we now have the word of God in the form of the Bible so are they necessary today?
I am not saying I agree with the cesaionalist view but it has really got me questioning things, and part of i is because of what seems to be my inability to be able to get healed and honestly things they are pointing out are starting to make more amd more sense to me
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I know a bit of this has already been answered just thought I would get some input
Thanks
Tricia
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10-24-2007, 09:32 AM
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If you study carefully the miracles of Jesus Christ you see that they were done to prove the Kingdom of God had come and to manifest the mercy and compassion of God. I disagree with those who say that Jesus was mostly interested in the soul of man.
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10-24-2007, 04:45 PM
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He is still the same yesterday, today, and forever. God still works miracles and still has POWER following those that are willing to submit and obey Him.
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11-13-2007, 09:20 AM
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11-14-2007, 06:59 AM
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In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
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11-14-2007, 07:45 AM
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Is it not a miracle that medical technology is so far advanced today?
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11-14-2007, 07:51 AM
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wwwwooooooooo....That could be a thread all on its own
where would the line be drawn,? Cloning is a medical advance, so is abortion.
Yep I would say you need to start a new thread with that one.
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In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
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11-14-2007, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by scotty
wwwwooooooooo....That could be a thread all on its own
where would the line be drawn,? Cloning is a medical advance, so is abortion.
Yep I would say you need to start a new thread with that one.
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thats true scotty...BTW love your avatar........as far as abortion, I don't think you could call that an advancement.
Are "true" miracles a little less today because God has allowed man the wisdom to improve/save lives?
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11-14-2007, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Kutless
thats true scotty...BTW love your avatar........as far as abortion, I don't think you could call that an advancement.
Are "true" miracles a little less today because God has allowed man the wisdom to improve/save lives?
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If what you are asking is "has man fallen away from faith (the power behind miricles) due to science offering "other" reasons behind our faith"?
Then the answer is yes.
Living for God is a chose, God gives us the freedom to choose from the beginning. We were created to worship God, so why bother putting the Tree of Life in the garden? If He didn't man would have never sinned. But He gave man a choice. So yes , God is allowing man to "do it himself" and as history shows man can not, in the end He will return and be King and Ruler thus showing us all how it could have been , should have been and will be.
But never lose faith, true miracles are still working , He said in the last days there will be a revival in the world. But He also says there will be a falling away of the faith. Unfortunatly our country is falling away, just read the news, but in other countrys as I have shown above, where they have never had "advancments" or little of anything to have faith in God's revival is very much alive!!!! Here is a good example, I got to church the other night and locked my keys in the car, I went on in and prayed God to take care of it. After church my daughter 14 asked me what I was going to do , I told her. Her response was "So you think just like that it will magically unlock?" See what I mean, no faith or belief in God just because they can't see it. BTW (the car was unlocked)!!! She said I must not have pulled the handle hard enough before.
God forgive them for they simply no not.
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You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
www.scottysweb.com
www.chrisscottonline.com
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11-20-2007, 05:07 PM
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I think Shelli brings up a worthy point.
Some miracles do happen, but not to the level that we'd like, or that I believe God would like. When Jesus walked the earth, people knew they could bring the blind, deaf, and lame, and they would be healed. Likewise with Paul and the other apostles in the book of Acts.
Can you think of a church where you know you could bring the blind and deaf next Sunday morning and they would (not "might") get healed? I sure can't.
I think sometimes we come up with all kinds of rationales ("salvation itself is a miracle", "we don't follow signs, signs follow us", etc) to rationalize away the very obvious fact that the miracle power of God is not moving in our churches the way it could or should... And most of the modern day workings of miracles we hear of seem to be on the foreign missions field, not here in the US.
I don't say it to be negative, but to express the fact that I think God has a lot more in store for us than we actually see happening, not only in terms of not miracles, but spiritual gifts in general. I strongly believe God is looking to change that, and that we'll see a lot more of the demonstration of the power of God, before Jesus comes.
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