((((((((((((TULSA BOMBSHELL))))))))) "49 Elders" Explained!! See this LIST

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by retsambeW

I will say again, just because they have a plan does NOT mean they will form an organization. Even a fellowship of unlicensed ministers needs a guideline.

I defend this, even if Bro. Riggen feels I am making statements I am not making.

But it apparently is their intention to form one, so what is the difference?

[retsambeW]

Pastor Poster,

Not all of the men on that list want an org. Why don't we wait until the Tulsa meeting is over and see what happens? If they form one...well that will tell a lot. If they don't, who cares? God is certainly aware in advance, but last I looked, my business card, nor yours, said God in the title line.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by retsambeW

I will say again, just because they have a plan does NOT mean they will form an organization. Even a fellowship of unlicensed ministers needs a guideline.

I defend this, even if Bro. Riggen feels I am making statements I am not making.

Oh!!!!!!!!!!! *smacks self in the forehead*

... I see ... just because they're planning it... doesn't mean they're forming it ...

The problem was in our question ... not in the deceptive answer. Gotcha.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by retsambeW

Pastor Poster,

Not all of the men on that list want an org. Why don't we wait until the Tulsa meeting is over and see what happens? If they form one...well that will tell a lot. If they don't, who cares? God is certainly aware in advance, but last I looked, my business card, nor yours, said God in the title line.

Too funny.

It never ends.

[retsambeW]

Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher

By saying these people are "their lieutenants," you ARE accusing them of condoning these actions.

I maintain that they cannot be held accountable for the actions of those you mention any more than than the UPCI Executive Board can be held accountable for a few unscrupulous men within their organization.

You are now putting words in my mouth. You at least owe me a lunch for repentance sake.

Most likely, the men involved have no idea what is being said by others not on the list. That does happen you know.

[Kansas Preacher]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

I am sure once they meet and put their constitution together.

They will be out seeking other churches to follow them.

Will they be black balled by the UPCI?

Will they themselves not let WPF churches to invite UPCI ministers to speak at their churches?

Time will tell...

I will tell you that it is an absolute that they will NOT limit participation OR speakers to those within their fellowship. This point has been made VERY clear to me and a number of other men. In fact, I was present when LB expressed very clearly that whether it was Bible Quizzing OR one of their "meetings," membership in their Fellowship would absolutely have no bearing on their choices. He said that he believes the "dividing wall" that has been erected by so many oneness organizations ("if you don't belong to our group, you can't participate or speak") is one of the WORST things to happen to us as a movement.

[retsambeW]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Oh!!!!!!!!!!! *smacks self in the forehead*

... I see ... just because they're planning it... doesn't mean they're forming it ...

The problem was in our question ... not in the deceptive answer. Gotcha.

Let's see...because they have a list of elders makes it an organization. Oh, I see. God died, and bequeathed his powers of all knowingness to DA.

[South of I 90]

Is the WWPF against preaching enhancing drugs??

I know the WWF has been infiltraded with steriods!!

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by retsambeW

Pastor Poster,

Not all of the men on that list want an org. Why don't we wait until the Tulsa meeting is over and see what happens? If they form one...well that will tell a lot. If they don't, who cares? God is certainly aware in advance, but last I looked, my business card, nor yours, said God in the title line.

BTW, I really do believe some of these men believe if it ain't comin' outa their chimney, it ain't smoke.

They have learned well from a system that is corrupt to the very core.

There is something inherently wrong with us when lying, deception and all sorts of unethical behavior is deemed okay. That is, it's okay if someone in power does it.

If someone in Podunksville, Arkansas who pastors a small church and gives little to the coffers of the orgs does it, he's probably gonna get the cat-o-nine from his morally superior "elders."

[staysharp]

I know plenty of these men and can tell you they are hard as nails. Can't walk straight enough. Some I know have been disgruntled for years. How can you build a meaningful organization on disgruntled, angry, mean, complainers? All they will do is implode on each other after the honeymoon is over.