Doctrinal Question - Someone Please Take a Shot at This. - Page 12

SDG · #**111** 12-21-2007, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Scripture please?

Do you know how rediculous that sounds? I received the Holy Ghost on "credit". C'mon.

It is ridiculous ... but some of my papal friends have declared this very thing.

Aquila · #**112** 12-21-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

17 professors agreed ... you've got us now .... how many are Catholic???? lol.

That's so true...the vast majority of them most likely believe that the doctrine of the Trinity is an essential Christian doctrine. LOL

Steve Epley · #**113** 12-21-2007, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

how do you know? YOu are just saying that. Was Stephan a preacher? Where is the word preacher used?

Where does the bible distinguish between preachers and laypersons?

Two questions have you read Acts 7? What is that if it is not a sermon?
But then that still doesn't help you NO ONE was baptized. Y'all guys are so easy.

Aquila · #**114** 12-21-2007, 08:32 PM

In the end it doesn't matter how many scholars say this or say that. The baptism clause in Acts 2:38 is in the passive voice. The WORD shows that. If you stand with the Bible...you're a majority. Also God himself fills repentant sinners with the Holy Ghost before baptism at altars in our churches all the time. God himself. Hmmm....

Who's report will you believe?

Steve Epley · #**115** 12-21-2007, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

That's so true...the vast majority of them most likely believe that the doctrine of the Trinity is an essential Christian doctrine. LOL

See it doesn't matter yet YOU invoke Evangelical Christianity???

There is NONE as blind as those who WILL not see!

Steve Epley · #**116** 12-21-2007, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

In the end it doesn't matter how many scholars say this or say that. The baptism clause in Acts 2:38 is in the passive voice. The WORD shows that. If you stand with the Bible...you're a majority. Also God himself fills repentant sinners with the Holy Ghost before baptism at altars in our churches all the time. God himself. Hmmm....

Who's report will you believe?

Sorry it is 'causive' again you are incorrect.

SDG · #**117** 12-21-2007, 08:36 PM

Welcome Aquila ... to the one stepper club.

Aquila · #**118** 12-21-2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Two questions have you read Acts 7? What is that if it is not a sermon?
But then that still doesn't help you NO ONE was baptized. Y'all guys are so easy.

It wasn't a sermon. A sermon is prepared and taught by a preacher behind a big sacred desk during predetermined service times in a large building often bearing stained glass windows. Of course, none of this is ever even mentioned in Scripture. What you see in Acts 7 was a powerful protest by Stephen toward his persecutors who were poised to prosecute and eventually kill him.

It has nothing in common with the modern "sermon" as we know it. I do perceive that we are a very religious people.

Steve Epley · #**119** 12-21-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

It wasn't a sermon. A sermon is prepared and taught by a preacher behind a big sacred desk during predetermined service times in a large building often bearing stained glass windows. Of course, none of this is ever even mentioned in Scripture. What you see in Acts 7 was a powerful protest by Stephen toward his persecutors who were poised to prosecute and eventually kill him.

It has nothing in common with the modern "sermon" as we know it. I do perceive that we are a very religious people.

Good grief Dan PLEASE help your friend. Over and out.

Aquila · #**120** 12-21-2007, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

See it doesn't matter yet YOU invoke Evangelical Christianity???

There is NONE as blind as those who WILL not see!

Where did I quote a single Evangelica? LOL I simply provided an analytical examination of the Greek found in Acts 2:38. I mentioned Evangelicalism in passing. Would your references agree with Oneness, Jesus name baptism, and the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues? If not...are they mistaken?

You have yet to answer my question...if my sins were not forgiven until I was baptized how did I receive the Holy Ghost prior to my baptism? How did my dear friend receive the Holy Ghost at the altar and attend church all week praising God and speaking in tongues before he was baptized in Jesus name?

You see...I have a question about a very real life changing experience...and you only have a theological argument and a dusty list of Trinitarian scholars. Please offer me an explaination, an answer to my experience that testifies to the contrary of your claim.