Doctrinal Question - Someone Please Take a Shot at This.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Sorry it is 'causive' again you are incorrect.

According to one school of scholarship. Others strongly disagree. But who cares what either of these contradicting scholars think. Let's get into the trenches of applied truth and experience...if you are correct...how did I receive the Holy Ghost before my sins were forgiven?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Where did I quote a single Evangelica? LOL I simply provided an analytical examination of the Greek found in Acts 2:38. I mentioned Evangelicalism in passing. Would your references agree with Oneness, Jesus name baptism, and the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues? If not...are they mistaken?

You have yet to answer my question...if my sins were not forgiven until I was baptized how did I receive the Holy Ghost prior to my baptism? How did my dear friend receive the Holy Ghost at the altar and attend church all week praising God and speaking in tongues before he was baptized in Jesus name?

You see...I have a question about a very real life changing experience...and you only have a theological argument and a dusty list of Trinitarian scholars. Please offer me an explaination, an answer to my experience that testifies to the contrary of your claim.

God had mercy on you and your friend that doesn't change the Book. That is why I am NOT a three-stepper so-called. In Acts the penitent twice recieved the HGB before they were baptized BUT they were immediately baptized. Anyone who refuses baptism in Jesus Name either did NOT recieve the genuine HGB or did not follow it. However sins in the NT dispensation are remitted ONLY in water baptism in Jesus Name for the penitent.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Welcome Aquila ... to the one stepper club.

I wouldnt go that far bro.

Baptism is a clear command of Scripture. If one is repents and is forgiven of their sins, they must obey the gospel and identify with Christ in his burial and resurrection through water baptism. If they refuse they are in rebellion and will be lost.

I firmly believe that the fulness of the Apostolic Gospel is found in repentance, water baptism in Jesus name, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking with other tongues. I believe that the whole gospel should be preached and obeyed. Those who do not obey it are typically those who are simply ignorant of the Scripture's teachings or they are in outright rebellion.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

Hmmm interesting...I wondered when I saw that scripture if "we" also lean on that scripturte for our stance on Sins ONLY being remitted when a "man" plunges one beneaththe water and calls on the name of the Lord.

Do we make ourselves an instument of remitting someones sins. No ones sins can remitted without a "preist/preacher" doing the work fo rthem.

Just a side thought TRF....sorry, it's not an answer to your question.

Bro. Frank Curts, Bible teacher and Supt of UPC Ohio District for many years said that men can remit sins (by baptizing someone in Jesus' name) but men cannot forgive sins.

Almost sounds like RCC doctrine, doesn't it?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Aquila

According to one school of scholarship. Others strongly disagree. But who cares what either of these contradicting scholars think. Let's get into the trenches of applied truth and experience...if you are correct...how did I receive the Holy Ghost before my sins were forgiven?

Who said your sins were not forgiven?????????????? NOT I!!!!!!!

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Sam

Bro. Frank Curts, Bible teacher and Supt of UPC Ohio District for many years said that men can remit sins (by baptizing someone in Jesus' name) but men cannot forgive sins.

Almost sounds like RCC doctrine, doesn't it?

He was wicked man wasn't he????????? That Trinitarian pastor you have now wouldn't have said nothing like that although he baptizes using Rome's formula.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I think when we preach the gospel and people obey it, they have their sins forgiven, if people reject Christ and the call to repentance they stay in their sins.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I wouldnt go that far bro.

Baptism is a clear command of Scripture. If one is repents and is forgiven of their sins, they must obey the gospel and identify with Christ in his burial and resurrection through water baptism. If they refuse they are in rebellion and will be lost.

I firmly believe that the fulness of the Apostolic Gospel is found in repentance, water baptism in Jesus name, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking with other tongues. I believe that the whole gospel should be preached and obeyed. Those who do not obey it are typically those who are simply ignorant of the Scripture's teachings or they are in outright rebellion.

For the most part the PCIers or one steppers on this forum would agree w/ your post .... We all believe baptism is to be obeyed and is an visual representation and identification w/ His work.

As for calling the commands we must obey the "Apostolic Gospel" we would diverge.

To be a 3-stepper you must accept the doctrine of baptismal regeneration ... and you obviously don't/

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Who said your sins were not forgiven?????????????? NOT I!!!!!!!

The "forgiven but not remitted" argument??

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

That's so true...the vast majority of them most likely believe that the doctrine of the Trinity is an essential Christian doctrine. LOL

Does that make their knowledge of the greek somehow wrong? Or are you guys saying they lied? That claim can be made of anyone...under any circumstances