So it's would be a pretty easy question to answer, right?
I guess it's not so easy to answer- no answers yet.
And did you just call me a "Baptist?" Weren't you one of the ones who complained loudly about being called "Catholic" or "Mormon" and the like?
While you're throwing snowballs around, why don't you take a stab at the question? What is it about baptism that saves us? Again, Peter comes right out and declares it in 1 Peter 3:21, but that doesn't appear to line up with your theology. Or am I wrong? How does baptism "save" us?
I did not call you a Baptist I called your answer a Baptist. There is a difference. Baptism saves us in that it clears the conscience because in baptism sins are remitted thus the conscience of sins is cleared. Our bodies are washed in water and our hearts are sprinkled with blood. The record is purged-wiped away-remitted-loosed-set free in baptism in Jesus Name for the penitent.
Anything less than a ban after Admin has been clear on this issue is unacceptable.
Has that been your real purpose here today Dan. Some of Admin has questioned your post on diffrent threads today already. Are intentionally trying to heat things to the point you can make someone boil over the "banning" point.?
Here is some scripture for everyone that has nothing to do with 1 2 or 3 steppin, Its called the Love of Christ in us. You want a true sign of salvation or filling of the Spirit which is Christ without any way to twist or disect it?
1If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[b] but have not love, I gain nothing.
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
I have to confess Daniel, once you started posting this morning I have fallen to your influence and posted with an attitude in which is unbecoming of me, for that I am truly sorry. I should have been stronger. That battle you won, I will keep myself accountable to the above scripture from here forth.
God bless,
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So it's would be a pretty easy question to answer, right?
I guess it's not so easy to answer- no answers yet.
And did you just call me a "Baptist?" Weren't you one of the ones who complained loudly about being called "Catholic" or "Mormon" and the like?
While you're throwing snowballs around, why don't you take a stab at the question? What is it about baptism that saves us? Again, Peter comes right out and declares it in 1 Peter 3:21, but that doesn't appear to line up with your theology. Or am I wrong? How does baptism "save" us?
My 2 cents. He did not call you baptist. He called the strawman argument a baptist one. That argument is the claim that people like SE deny grace, deny the blood, because they believe in water, they believe the water cleanses our sins and not the blood. Before this forum I never heard that strawman argument against people that believe in baptism from other Apostolics....
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I'd like to hear the explanation that Ferd is asking for.
Dan you said this:And since Ferd is drawing lines in the sand ...
Anything less than a ban after Admin has been clear on this issue is unacceptable.
You didn't clarify what you meant by drawing lines in the sand and then you followed that statement with one about being banned implying that Ferd should be banned. I may have missed a post but these statements don't add up.
A public accusation deserves a public apology.
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I'd like to hear the explanation that Ferd is asking for.
Dan you said this:And since Ferd is drawing lines in the sand ...
Anything less than a ban after Admin has been clear on this issue is unacceptable.
You didn't clarify what you meant by drawing lines in the sand and then you followed that statement with one about being banned implying that Ferd should be banned. I may have missed a post but these statements don't add up.
A public accusation deserves a public apology.
Ferd has received my PM
He is well aware of what the lines being crossed refers to, Mizpeh.
I did not call you a Baptist I called your answer a Baptist. There is a difference. Baptism saves us in that it clears the conscience because in baptism sins are remitted thus the conscience of sins is cleared. Our bodies are washed in water and our hearts are sprinkled with blood. The record is purged-wiped away-remitted-loosed-set free in baptism in Jesus Name for the penitent.
And your answer is "Papist" and "Mormon."
That is, the Mormon church teaches similarly and as another poster showed in citing the Councils of Nicea, Constantinople and Trent the other day; the Roman Catholic Church teaches this as well. Personally, I enjoy a discussion that is unafraid to look at such similarities in doctrines.
Do you think that Peter was negating the bolded statement above when he said, "not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God?" That is, the physical act of being immersed in water accomplishes nothing more than "the removal of dirt from the body."
What I hear from a lot of the "anti-baptismal regenerationalist" folks is that they are trying to demystify the act of baptism, and even to remove the "sacrementalist" aspect that the RCC has ascribed to it.
In other words, I see a lot of room for common ground here.
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