Major Split in the MS District UPC?

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by Walkbyfaith7

Casting your pearls before swine? Ok, right. And if I hit you I'm sure you will say "let me turn my other cheek".

Write a bible study and pay for it- hey do you get paid for preaching. What is the difference?

and $$$ go together don't they?

Do I get paid for preaching, yes.

Do I get paid for one on one Biblestudies, NO.

[MawMaw]

Originally Posted by rrford

But if those codes and standards are based upon Biblical principles of holiness then those things become critical.

Exactly, my dear Brother!

Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

Do I get paid for preaching, yes.

Do I get paid for one on one Biblestudies, NO.

The epistles were not preached by the person who wrote them as like an evangelist most often there were in writing.

My point was though, that you fail to understand is that I am not going to waste my time on a bible study to someone who is set in their ways and already has their mind made up.

Comprende? Si.

[Just a Shepherd]

Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

Well, I ask where are the sour grapes? Bitterness is all over this post.

I have been raised UPCI and can say that this is NOT true.

It's not sour grapes and bitterness. No, no one is going to come right out and state that people should put their faith in dress codes, but many do and that wasn't just coincidental.

[Just a Shepherd]

Joseph Miller: "You are now saying that people who live holiness practice abominations."

Me: That wasn't what I was saying at all. I was saying that when people are forced to conform to a certain dress code to be accepted by others then it becomes much more difficult to tell if God is working in their life.

If a person follows the dress codes because that's all that's really ever asked of him, and yet he is committing adultery, then he is hiding abominable practices.

In the UPC (generally), people's lives are not examined the scriptural way to see if they are believers, they are judged by the dress codes usually. This is not only not scriptural, but allows false brothers to creep in unaware because they look right.

[TrmptPraise]

Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd

Joseph Miller: "You are now saying that people who live holiness practice abominations."

Me: That wasn't what I was saying at all. I was saying that when people are forced to conform to a certain dress code to be accepted by others then it becomes much more difficult to tell if God is working in their life.

If a person follows the dress codes because that's all that's really ever asked of him, and yet he is committing adultery, then he is hiding abominable practices.

In the UPC (generally), people's lives are not examined the scriptural way to see if they are believers, they are judged by the dress codes usually. This is not only not scriptural, but allows false brothers to creep in unaware because they look right.

I don't believe that anybody is forcing modesty upon someone to be accepted. And I do believe that we can see God working through individuals that have been biblically saved but I have not yet conformed to holiness in regards to dress. That why we have new converts classes in churches across the country.

If we were to make the assumption that holiness would come to those without teaching or instruction, then we could be waiting along time and, undoubtedly, those who have come into salvation, would eventually not return wondering what the big deal was. Our ministers and teachers have a responsibility to teach biblical holiness not as an acceptance tool, but rather and an instructional tool. They are not saying do these list of things that pertain to holiness or don't comeback.