Major Split in the MS District UPC?

[Rev]

Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd

The problem is that the leadership of the UPC has taught the people over the years to put their faith in standards by making them more important than producing godly fruit meet for repentance. What is critical is a passionate prayer life and hunger and thirst for spiritual things. Without those things you might as well go around naked... Revelation 3:14,15

That's the wrong scripture. The rest of your post is also wrong. Some of the most spiritual churches are the ones that have great standards!

[Just a Shepherd]

Originally Posted by Rev

(1Ti 2:9) In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

If it's showing off to much of the body I don't think you could call it holy. What is modest? Someone has to set the standard! Does the dress need to come to the knee, below the knee, or six inches above the knee? You have to set a modest standard for the lawless in the church and every church has them!

There is no such thing as the "lawless in the church!" Those are called FALSE brethren and should be disfellowshipped. By making people conform to a standard you set, you are only helping them to hide their abominable practices.

Man, It's late and I allowed myself to into this because I can't resist, but I have to finish preparing for tomorrow. Please allow me to bow out without thinking that I am trying to avoid answering anything. I really have to go.

[Just a Shepherd]

Originally Posted by Rev

That's the wrong scripture. The rest of your post is also wrong. Some of the most spiritual churches are the ones that have great standards!

OK rev 3:17 - and no I'm not wrong, I have been preaching in the UPC for 18 years. I am telling you what I have seen with my OWN EYES. Not some rumor.

[Just a Shepherd]

Originally Posted by rrford

I cannot actually agree with such a borad brush approach. I will agree that some have done so and have done damage to the true spirit of holiness. So much so that too many folks have wnet to the other extreme.

If anyone is doing it then there are too many doing it. It puts people's very eternity in danger - Matt 7:21, so why is it allowed to go on without being addressed?

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd

If anyone is doing it then there are too many doing it. It puts people's very eternity in danger - Matt 7:21, so why is it allowed to go on without being addressed?

Oh, it is addressed. Just not to everyone's satisfaction.

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by SavedLou

It doesn't seem you sincerely desire to know what it means to be saved or holy...you're interested in ruffling feathers. We all have different opinions on what it means to be holy...there is no "list". respect that and stop

I agree

Originally Posted by Walkbyfaith7

Ok please explain RR since the evangelist is taking a bow out of this one...

The evangelist had things to do more important than just live on AFF today. As the person I quoted above said, you not want to really know and there is no "list". There are some things which scripture is settled on, but you won't adhere to sound doctrine so I will not cast my pearls before the swine.

Originally Posted by Walkbyfaith7

If you want, I can take some time and write a study of scriptures but if you already have your mind made up please why would I go forth with a hour or two of effort in studying, typing and commenting unless you would pay me what I make at work by the hour or unless you were really serious about learning.

So to write a Bible study we must be paid what we make on our job?????? That is a pretty messed up view.

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd

The problem with most "holiness" teaching in the UPC is that it is confused with "standards." One cannot be made holy by their clothing choices. Biblical holiness and organizational dress codes are not the same thing.

Standards don't make you holy, but if you are holy you will live the standards. They are based on Biblical principle. The standards of the UPCI is just basic modesty.

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd

The problem is that the leadership of the UPC has taught the people over the years to put their faith in standards by making them more important than producing godly fruit meet for repentance. What is critical is a passionate prayer life and hunger and thirst for spiritual things. Without those things you might as well go around naked... Revelation 3:14,15

Well, I ask where are the sour grapes? Bitterness is all over this post.

I have been raised UPCI and can say that this is NOT true.

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd

There is no such thing as the "lawless in the church!" Those are called FALSE brethren and should be disfellowshipped. By making people conform to a standard you set, you are only helping them to hide their abominable practices.

Man, It's late and I allowed myself to into this because I can't resist, but I have to finish preparing for tomorrow. Please allow me to bow out without thinking that I am trying to avoid answering anything. I really have to go.

That is a VERY broad brush. You are now saying that people who live holiness practice abominations. I take major offense to this. I am far from Ultra con, but I have never changed what I believe about Biblical principles of holiness.

Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

I agree



The evangelist had things to do more important than just live on AFF today. As the person I quoted above said, you not want to really know and there is no "list". There are some things which scripture is settled on, but you won't adhere to sound doctrine so I will not cast my pearls before the swine.



So to write a Bible study we must be paid what we make on our job?????? That is a pretty messed up view.

Casting your pearls before swine? Ok, right. And if I hit you I'm sure you will say "let me turn my other cheek".

Write a bible study and pay for it- hey do you get paid for preaching. What is the difference?

and $$$ go together don't they?