JEWS!

[Falla39]

If I understand it correctly, Paul (Saul) was not born a Jew. He became a Jew by

religion. He was a Benjamite by birth, as was King Saul. (he was part of Israel (Jacob),

natural Israel). Old Natural Israel. First that which is natural, then that which is spiritual.

If there had not been the Law, the people would not have known what sin was. The

law was given for transgression until the Seed (Jesus Christ) could come. Moses (a man

chosen by God) gave the law, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. The law was

UNTIL John, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. The people in the OT looked

ahead, one year at a time, having their sins not removed but just pushed ahead. UNtil

the ULTIMATE sin offering could come and pay it off. Jesus paid it ALL! Old natural

Israel could not be restored until the ONE SEED, JESUS CHRIST could come. Now we

have the NEW ISRAEL of GOD. And regardless of our natural birth, we can and MUST

be born again to get into the New WILL and Covenant of GOD. We can inherit THE

Blessing or we can keep the curse. Those who HEAR HIS VOICE and FOLLOW the

Good Shepherd, are HIS SHEEP. They that are Christ's are not under the law.

If any man (human) be in Christ, he is a new creature.(creation). Old (natural)

things are passed (removed) away (not pushed ahead), behold all things are become or

becoming new! Praise the Living God forever and ever!

Whether we be jew or gentile, whether we be bond or free, whether we be

male or female, there is no difference in Christ. We all stand on level ground

at the CROSS! There where we will meet Him.

At the Cross, at the Cross, where I first saw the Light (JESUS).
And the burden of my heart rolled AWAY,(not pushed ahead).
It was there BY FAITH, I received my sight,
And now I am happy all the day!

Blessings,

Falla39

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Why would Paul be so against Gentiles keeping them if the Jews could do so?

He was against it because the Judaizers were trying to tell them they had to in order to be saved. The jews could do so if they wanted to. But some were trying to MAKE the Gentiles keep the law, when they did not want to.

I only mentioned about a possible issue with me since you continued to defend ritual keeping despite the fact that I agreed with you about doing it for reaching the lost. But you cleared that up.

ok

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Falla39

If I understand it correctly, Paul (Saul) was not born a Jew. He became a Jew by

religion. He was a Benjamite by birth, as was King Saul. (he was part of Israel (Jacob),

natural Israel).

Hi sister,

Actually he was born a Jew. That is what is meant by this:

Philippians 3:3-5 KJV For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. (4) Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: (5) Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Hebrew of Hebrew indicates full blooded Hebrew lineage, not mixed. Not necessarily "Jew" though, since Jew is not a race. But circumcised the eighth day means exact compliance to law, and that his parents were observing Judaism from before his birth.

Jews valued circ. very much and derided Gentiles for lack of it.

I found this out, Praxeas, from the same website I quoted before.

It is important to note that being a Jew has nothing to do with what you believe or what you do. A person born to non-Jewish parents who has not undergone the formal process of conversion but who believes everything that Orthodox Jews believe and observes every law and custom of Judaism is still a non-Jew, even in the eyes of the most liberal movements of Judaism, and a person born to a Jewish mother who is an atheist and never practices the Jewish religion is still a Jew, even in the eyes of the ultra-Orthodox. In this sense, Judaism is more like a nationality than like other religions, and being Jewish is like a citizenship.

http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm

But at the same time, being a Jew is not being part of a distinct race. More nationality.

[Revelationist]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Your BIL is correct. There is nothing in the NT that tells the Jews that they must not follow their Jewish traditions or cease from the following the law. But Paul told them that Jesus was the fulfillment of the law regarding sacrifices/atonement etc. There is no evidence whatsoever that Paul ceased from following his Jewish traditions. Gentiles, in Ac. 15 were basically told to keep the Noahic covenant which the Jews have believed are the basic requirements for heaven.

Jews do NOT believe that keeping the law gets them into heaven and never have. Certainly there have been those throughout history who have elevated the law to that level, but not by-an-large.

Wow... go back and re-read Galations....

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Falla39

If I understand it correctly, Paul (Saul) was not born a Jew. He became a Jew by

religion. He was a Benjamite by birth, as was King Saul. (he was part of Israel (Jacob),

natural Israel). Old Natural Israel. First that which is natural, then that which is spiritual.

If there had not been the Law, the people would not have known what sin was. The

law was given for transgression until the Seed (Jesus Christ) could come. Moses (a man

chosen by God) gave the law, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. The law was

UNTIL John, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. The people in the OT looked

ahead, one year at a time, having their sins not removed but just pushed ahead. UNtil

the ULTIMATE sin offering could come and pay it off. Jesus paid it ALL! Old natural

Israel could not be restored until the ONE SEED, JESUS CHRIST could come. Now we

have the NEW ISRAEL of GOD. And regardless of our natural birth, we can and MUST

be born again to get into the New WILL and Covenant of GOD. We can inherit THE

Blessing or we can keep the curse. Those who HEAR HIS VOICE and FOLLOW the

Good Shepherd, are HIS SHEEP. They that are Christ's are not under the law.

If any man (human) be in Christ, he is a new creature.(creation). Old (natural)

things are passed (removed) away (not pushed ahead), behold all things are become or

becoming new! Praise the Living God forever and ever!

Whether we be jew or gentile, whether we be bond or free, whether we be

male or female, there is no difference in Christ. We all stand on level ground

at the CROSS! There where we will meet Him.

At the Cross, at the Cross, where I first saw the Light (JESUS).
And the burden of my heart rolled AWAY,(not pushed ahead).
It was there BY FAITH, I received my sight,
And now I am happy all the day!

Blessings,

Falla39

Got your facts confused somewhere SisFalla...Paul was not a proselyte Jew..he was born a Jew.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Revelationist

Wow... go back and re-read Galations....

What would we be looking for in Gal. Revelationist?

[Revelationist]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

What would we be looking for in Gal. Revelationist?

The whole book is about after being free from the law, not to go back to it.