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Old 02-24-2008, 08:10 AM
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Re: Please Explain the Existence of Dinasour Fossi

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IMO this particular argument doesn't hold a lot of water because, while the english translation chosen was the word replenish, the original hebrew word doesn't seem to hold any connotation of REplenishing above simply filling.



The word seems to simply mean to fill, complete, satisfy etc and, unless someone can share some other information I have not yet come across, carries no real connotation that this word means to REfill rather than simply meaning to FILL the earth.

But... these are just my thoughts.
I agree. I don't necessarily agree or disagree with the theory. I posted that to show that some use it to teach the "Pre-Adamic Creation" theory. To think that there might, or might not have been, a creation before Adam, is too much for me to wrap my mind around. LOL, I do good to remember last week, let alone eons ago!
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LOL...that made my night BE! Congratulations on the birth of your baby!
Thanks for the congrats, although it is about ten months late.
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Thanks for the congrats, although it is about ten months late.
I thought by the sound of the previous poster you must have just had a new one... Congrats anyway!!!!
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A baby, duh!




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Well it could have been 15 puppies!
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I agree. I don't necessarily agree or disagree with the theory. I posted that to show that some use it to teach the "Pre-Adamic Creation" theory. To think that there might, or might not have been, a creation before Adam, is too much for me to wrap my mind around. LOL, I do good to remember last week, let alone eons ago!
Indeed. And I certainly wasn't out to disagree, argue or prove anything wrong.

I am appreciative of your input. Everything constructive that anyone adds to a conversation adds to the value of said conversation.

Thanks for sharing your posts. They have been a blessing.
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Old 02-24-2008, 08:34 PM
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Re: Please Explain the Existence of Dinasour Fossi

I am not dogmatic on the issue, but if the pre-Adamic creation idea is correect, there are some awesome types and foreshadows involved.

The pre-Adamite creation could represent our lives as sinners that the devil messed up, and GOD re-creates us as new creatures.

ONE LESSON TO LEARN


* God created earth, and destruction occurred afterwards with Lucifer's fall
* God set out to re-establish the earth and form it
* The first thing we read about is the water covering the earth and God's Spirit moving over it.
* This shows us the need of WATER and SPIRIT in our lives to BEGIN
* Our new renovated lives.

John 3:5 ...Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit,


* RENEW means RENOVATE
* God is renewing us

Roma 12:1-2 ...be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind,


" TRANSFORMED "
metamorphoo {met-am-or-fo'-o} v AV - transfigure 2, transform 1, change 1; 4
1) to change into another form, to transform, to transfigure


" RENEWING "
anakainosis {an-ak-ah'-ee-no-sis} n f AV - renewing
1) a renewal, renovation, complete change for the better


Roma 8:29 ...did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, ...


Gene 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness


Jesus:...

Colo 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:


* The only conclusion we can draw from this is that man LOST THE IMAGE of God
* As the world lost its FORM it had in Genesis 1:1.
* And God must con-"form" us back into His image.
* Renovation.



The final work of God was making man in His image.

* When God has MATURED us to completion (Bible meaning of perfection), then we will be a sixth day work, and finished.
* And SABBATH occurs
* We enter a rest with God.



THERE ARE 6 PRINCIPLES OF THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST (Hebrews 6:1-3)



Hebr 6:1-2 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.



1) Repentance from dead works - CORRESPONDS TO DAY ONE
2) Faith toward God - CORRESPONDS TO DAY TWO
3) Doctrine of Baptisms - CORRESPONDS TO DAY THREE
4) Doctrine of Laying on of Hands - CORRESPONDS TO DAY FOUR
5) Doctrine of Resurrection from the dead - CORRESPONDS TO DAY FIVE
6) Doctrine of Eternal Judgment - CORRESPONDS TO DAY SIX

And the seventh day represent perfection, which is actually completion or maturity. We learn to rest when we are mature believers in Christ.


Hebr 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his
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Re: Please Explain the Existence of Dinasour Fossi

More lessons on RENOVATION:

GENESIS OF SALVATION

The most important reason God gave us His Word, the Bible, was to reveal the plan of salvation to us. Nothing is more important. The Bible is not a science book, although one will find truths which will affect one's perspective of science. It is not a book intended to answer questions which our curious minds may wish to seek from God. The primary purpose of the Bible is to inform mankind the manner by which he can return to God.

The reason God speaks of beginnings in the book of Genesis is, therefore, not to inform the curious mind as to how man came about in the first place. God is relaying a message to us about salvation. Oh, the accounts in Genesis must be taken literally, but God had something in mind in relating this actual history to us. The restoration of mankind to pre-fall existence, as Adam originally knew it, demanded the story of that original fall of mankind into sin.

The solution to man's sinful plight is involved in the account of the manner in which man first fell. We must know where and how man "got off track", so to speak, in order to understand the remedy.

And, as we will unmistakably see in this study, God decided to foreshadow the great plan of salvation by creating the world in a particular manner.

Why do we read of six days of God's working? Why did He choose to use six days? He could have easily snapped all into existence in an instant. Have you ever asked yourself this question? There is a reason.

One might ask, "By what authority do you have to say you know why God did choose to make the world in six days?" I have the authority given to me and you, true believers, from God's Word, itself, for the very same Bible contains passages that relate to Genesis which regard salvation which form so much of a parallel indicating a foreshadowing element that it is beyond coincidence.

Paul said we can have the mind of Christ. (I Cor. 2:16). This does not mean we can instruct God, as Paul's Old Testament reference in 1 Cor. 2:16 makes mention, but it does mean God's ways can be known by the "spiritual", as Paul puts it, believer.

The uncanny similarities between creation in Genesis and the plan of salvation in the New Testament make the picture too clear for it to be mere parallels of coincidence. No. God had Genesis written for the very purpose of teaching us, among other things, the true plan of salvation.


WATER AND SPIRIT

Jesus told Nicodemus the reason He was indeed a teacher sent from God in reply to Nicodemus' recognition of that fact in John 3. Jesus explained that His ability to teach and to perform the miracles He did was due to the fact that He could "see the Kingdom of God." (John 3:2-3). In other words, He told Nicodemus that He truly was from God and that no man could do the things He did unless he/she be born again.


John 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Jesus turned the conversation into an opportunity to inform Nicodemus that God was preparing a way for man to return to Himself by referring to man's opportunity to see the Kingdom of God.

Jesus stirred up Nicodemus' curiosity regarding the means made for man to see the Kingdom. Nicodemus asked how a man could be born again. Not realizing there is more to a man's being than flesh, Nicodemus could only link a second physical birth with Jesus' statement regarding new birth. Would a man have to enter the womb and be born a second time? He felt Jesus' words were ridiculous.

Nicodemus did not understand that a man consists of not a body but also of a soul and a spirit. (I Thess 5:23). Man is tripartite, or is made of three parts. Spirit, Soul and Body.

We know that the common thought of a dichotomy of two parts, soul and body, is an incorrect view of man. Human philosophy sees only soul (which they say is equatable with the word spirit) and body because the aspect of man's spirit as apart from the soul is "inactive" in fallen humanity. Man is so unaware of the human spirit because it died, not the physical body, the day Adam ate of the forbidden fruit, as God forewarned Adam. And all Adam's descendants have inherited his sinful condition along with a dead human spirit. being inactive, the human spirit remains unrecognizable by those who seek to understand man's being.

The Bible, however, clearly reveals that there are two elements, not one, besides the human body which complete a man's/woman's being. These two are not one and the same element (spirit and soul) because Hebrews 4:12 tells us that a man's soul and spirit can be divided as much as bone and marrow can be separated.

Jesus explained the truth of His statement to Nicodemus that one must be born not the flesh but of the water and the Spirit. Should one be born of flesh in order to enter the Kingdom of God then one would have to re-enter one's mother's womb and be physically born a second time. Since, however, it is of the water and of the Spirit that one must be born again, we understand that the element which is born of the Spirit is the human spirit. Kind after its kind, as Genesis reveals. And human spirit, not flesh, is born of God's Spirit. That which is born of the flesh is flesh.


John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

If Jesus had said we must be born of the flesh, then our mothers would indeed be in the picture and somehow we would have to enter a second time into their wombs. But Since He clarified the issue by saying we are born of the Spirit, we understand that it cannot be our human flesh, but our human spirits that He is talking about.


John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

With the two elements of WATER AND SPIRIT in mind, in relation to our new births, we see a marvelous connection to the thought of Genesis' creation. (Gen 1:2).

The parallel becomes strikingly more clear when we notice that man is intimately connected with the actual world since man was made from the dust of the earth, and man must one day return to the earth in death. In fact, rather than afflict man directly with a curse, God chose to curse the ground for man's sake due to his disobedience in the garden. (Ge. 3:17).

Thus it began. God's Spirit moved on the face of the waters. Here we have SPIRIT AND WATER. And the next immediate step taken by God to make the world parallel the initial steps of salvation as found in the New Testament.

First of all, God "Said." The Word of God came into action once the SPIRIT and WATER became involved.

Please understand that God's Word can only accomplish a work upon us when His Spirit is also involved. Otherwise, the Word is seemingly ineffective and almost incomprehensible. Paul said that the Spirit of God is given to a person that we might "know the things that are freely given" to us.


1Cor 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Such "things" are spoken by ministers who are involved in true, spiritual ministry (not just any ministers). These words of wisdom are spoken not in words which man's wisdom teaches. It comes apart from the origin of man's mind and wisdom. They are those "things" which the Holy Spirit teaches about. Ministers of the true Church (not a denomination) speak forth spiritual wisdom by way of comparing spiritual things with spiritual words. Therefore, without the Spirit we cannot know these spiritual truths.

That is the reason God foreshadowed new birth by first having His Spirit move, and then by speaking His Word. Only when the Spirit is upon a person can that person comprehend the Word of God as it works. Only then can the Word do a work upon us as the world was worked and shaped into form by the spoken Word of God.

God must speak the Word. This is not simply reading black-inked letters in a Bible. It is when God's Spirit is upon your seeking, sincere heart that it is God breathing life to you through the written words. God must say. ...And God said.

Before salvation, we are as the world was before Spirit, water and Word. We are void and without form. And God's Spirit comes to us that He might form us.
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Is this a record for the most posts without suggesting someone is going to hell? lol I love this topic. I thought I have exhausted this topic, but I am learning so much...
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How long were Adam and Eve in the Garden?

The Bible is the recorded history of Mankind, in relation to Jesus. it isnt the history of God, nor the complete history of the earth.

We run into problems trying to make the bible, the record of either God or the Earth.
Excellent point, Ferd.

The Bible was written and compiled for a very specific purpose- some might even say that it was a very prejudiced viewpoint. Since I tend to be in agreement with the Bible's viewpoint I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's "prejudiced." But it is very polemic. It has a point to make and only so many pages of parchment to do it in.

One thing that I observe is that there is no evidence of human beings interacting with dinosaurs. The dinosaurs lived millions of years before humans ever appeared on this planet. The "drink up a river" and "tail like a cedar" are obvious uses of literary hyperbole and the point of the book of Job is made very well if we identify any number of contemporary creatures as "behemoth" and "leviathan."

Also, a vast range of critters are lumped together as "dinosaurs." Some appear to have had traits like cold blooded reptiles while others clearly had thermo-regulation mechanisms. One rough division of the fossils is to sort those with "lizard hips" (saurischians) in one group and those with "bird-like hips" (ornithosaurus) in another.

One unfortunate part of this discussion involves the attempt by some ministries like ICR and Dr. Dino and AIG to argue that their young earth views are the only valid viewpoints. Sadly, many Apostolics have fallen in lock step with this propaganda. Most of their material is such bad science that it's embarassing to stand up in front of a group of people and pitch this stuff. The dogmatic young earth position of so many Apostolics led to a real crisis of faith for me several years ago.

Politely challenge these guys on their "science" and they either wilt or wig out.
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One unfortunate part of this discussion involves the attempt by some ministries like ICR and Dr. Dino and AIG to argue that their young earth views are the only valid viewpoints. Sadly, many Apostolics have fallen in lock step with this propaganda. Most of their material is such bad science that it's embarassing to stand up in front of a group of people and pitch this stuff. The dogmatic young earth position of so many Apostolics led to a real crisis of faith for me several years ago.

Politely challenge these guys on their "science" and the either wilt or wig out.
I heard an interview a few months back with a Christian who also happened to do oil exploration for BP. He discussed his "difficulty" with using his knowledge of plate tectonics and radiometric dating during the day, then being forced to hold a "young earth" view at church. He held fast to his faith and belief in God yet dis pared over his in-ability to witness to fellow scientists because of some of the stuff he was forced to accept as part of the Christian faith.
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