FOX Lies!! Barack Obama Pastor Wright

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

Ferd,

When this story first broke, I was shocked and upset by what I heard JW preach....just like many here; however, I didn't just stop there, but I began to spend hours pouring over as much information I could regarding JEW and his church.

The more I uncovered the more I realized that this man was being unfairly pigeonholed on his Afrocentric ideology and not judged on his overall life's work. He had done more for the inner-city community in Chicago than any government agency could have imagined. His work with the HIV/AIDS community stood out because he was willing to help when Reagan wouldn't even say the word AIDS.

He demonstrated more Christ-like virtue and compassion than many ministers had and when I looked at the "whole picture", his infrequent racially charged ramblings faded in importance.

I read an article by Anderson Cooper where he objectively investigated the story behind the story with JW's sermons. I'll post it in a minute...read it....it is fair and balanced journalism at its best.

BTW, I am not some lilly-livered liberal. I am a Conservative and I have been involved with the pro-life movement since 1991. The dilemma that I am having with Obama is his stand on many social issues...mainly abortion. As a Christian, I don't think that I will be able to vote for anyone this year. McCain and Hillary are two peas in a pod and though I have respect for Obama and will continue to press for the truth when the spin machine leaks slanderous stories, I will more than likely sit this one out!

you didnt answer the question. further you are ignoring one fundmental fact.

"Chickens come home to roost" was the only part of JWs comments that was a quote. The rest was of his own invention.

Where his comments concerning dropping an Atom Bomb on Japan accurate? Justifiable?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Agreed. the added comment that action in Japan was "without batting an eye" is an out and out lie, and of Jerimiah Wrights own invention.

Truman agonized over the decision for weeks before, and the remainder of his life after. It was not done as Wright suggests on some whim with blood lust as the motive.

but Foxnews lied because Wright heard some two bit former ambassedor say the words "Chickens come home to roost".

We were in a war.
We had been attacked by Japan.
The Japanese had vowed to fight to the death.
An invasion of Japan with a slow complete ground military operation and occupation was considered and the loss in both American and Japanese lives was considered.
The use of the Bomb was an option which saved many lives --both Japanese and American.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Sam

We were in a war.
We had been attacked by Japan.
The Japanese had vowed to fight to the death.
An invasion of Japan with a slow complete ground military operation and occupation was considered and the loss in both American and Japanese lives was considered.
The use of the Bomb was an option which saved many lives --both Japanese and American.

The number of One Million was American Casualties only. There is no telling how many Japanese were spared by the action.

Even the Japanese have stated as much.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Ferd

you didnt answer the question. further you are ignoring one fundmental fact.

"Chickens come home to roost" was the only part of JWs comments that was a quote. The rest was of his own invention.

Where his comments concerning dropping an Atom Bomb on Japan accurate? Justifiable?

I think some of his statements are over the top but we must remove the beam from our own eyes before trying to remove the mote out of the eyes of another.

The Republicans are terrified of facing Obama in a General Election...therefore they will stop at nothing to destroy his reputation before the eyes of the American people.

I think a preacher should be able to preach what they think. I'll tell you the SAME thing Wright told you...American will face the wrath of God for a host of sins and among them are her sins against entire people groups. When God judges nations he does so according to the full cup principle. One day America's cup will be full and the Lord will force her to drink his wrath.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

I think some of his statements are over the top but we must remove the beam from our own eyes before trying to remove the mote out of the eyes of another.

The Republicans are terrified of facing Obama in a General Election...therefore they will stop at nothing to destroy his reputation before the eyes of the American people.

I think a preacher should be able to preach what they think. I'll tell you the SAME thing Wright told you...American will face the wrath of God for a host of sins and among them are her sins against entire people groups. When God judges nations he does so according to the full cup principle. One day America's cup will be full and the Lord will force her to drink his wrath.

CH,
I haven't read that anywhere. Could you post a link to support your statement? TIA

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Sam

We were in a war.
We had been attacked by Japan.
The Japanese had vowed to fight to the death.
An invasion of Japan with a slow complete ground military operation and occupation was considered and the loss in both American and Japanese lives was considered.
The use of the Bomb was an option which saved many lives --both Japanese and American.

Some in the early church would argue that it would be better to surrender to a foriegn invader than to kill multiplied masses of innocent people.

I'm not saying I'm against our use of the bomb...I'm just considering another perspective beyond the Christian Nationalist perspective of the right wing.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

CH,
I haven't read that anywhere. Could you post a link to support your statement? TIA

Polls were showing that McCain and Hillary were closer to a tie and that in some polls McCain actually beat Hillary. But in nearly every poll prior to this issue Obama won hands down. This is the Repbulican attack machine at work.

They will attack any one and anything if it will secure their power. Nothing is sacred or left to be another's opinion or experience. Everything becomes subject to THEIR judgment and THEIR interpretation.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Polls were showing that McCain and Hillary were closer to a tie and that in some polls McCain actually beat Hillary. But in nearly every poll prior to this issue Obama won hands down. This is the Repbulican attack machine at work.

They will attack any one and anything if it will secure their power. Nothing is sacred or left to be another's opinion or experience. Everything becomes subject to THEIR judgment and THEIR interpretation.

I've seen that McCain has had a 6 to 8 margin lead on Obama. 3 points is basically a tie for the give and take.

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Where his comments concerning dropping an Atom Bomb on Japan accurate? Justifiable?

“We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.

“Kids playing in the playground. Mothers picking up children after school. Civilians, not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day."

“Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism."

You mean the comments from JW's sermon above? The short answer would be yes his comments were justifiable.

[DividedThigh]

boy the wind is blowing like a hurricane on here today, good thing i am northwest of it, lol,dt