FOX Lies!! Barack Obama Pastor Wright

[DividedThigh]

hey the swift boat vets were just as credible as that john kerry guy, even more in my opinion, and still no excuse for jw comments, dt

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Sam

He was calling on God to ************/condemn America for its racist attitude.
He was not intending to "cuss."

When he says "America" who exactly is he wanting God to send ************ation?

Whites only?

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

Hey, now...don't you start ganging up on me! I am just a man on a mission to uncover the truth during this season of lies, distortion and mud-slinging. Besides, I like turtles!

Can I ask you a serious question? How serious are you about the truth?

As it relates to this subject, do you want the actual facts or are you just trying to point out the counter hyperbole?

I ask this because i posted something that ought to be very much considered in looking for the truth....it seems to have been overlooked.

Pastor Wright states he quoted an Ambassedor in that tyrade about 9/11.
the only part that the Ambassedor actually said was "Chickens come home to roost" the Ambassedor did not wax elequent on indians getting waxed by white terrorists or America bombing Japan without batting an eye....

So was fox lying? do you consider your depiction of the context to be truthful?

[CC1]

Ferd,

Anyone comparing us bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WWII to the 9-11 terrorist attack are so off their rocker and contemptable it is almost beyond words.

Those WWII bombings happened in the context of war and by all credible accounts probably save around one million allied lives and countless Japanese ones had the war continued.

So few Americans are students of history they have no clue of the context of those bombings. They only hear the wacko left cry that we were horrible for killing 160,000 people.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Discerner

Look if guys like this preacher dont like the usa, then move out!!! Imagine how he would be treated in the middle east with these types of comments against the government and country. He would be in jail or worse. He is an idiot, matter of fact I would say his comments are not even those of a Christian.

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That's one of the ways we are better than other countries.

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by CC1

Ferd,

Anyone comparing us bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WWII to the 9-11 terrorist attack are so off their rocker and contemptable it is almost beyond words.

Those WWII bombings happened in the context of war and by all credible accounts probably save around one million allied lives and countless Japanese ones had the war continued.

So few Americans are students of history they have no clue of the context of those bombings. They only hear the wacko left cry that we were horrible for killing 160,000 people.

all true, good post cc1, be careful now some folks dont want to hear truth or common sense, which isnt so common anymore,dt

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by CC1

Ferd,

Anyone comparing us bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WWII to the 9-11 terrorist attack are so off their rocker and contemptable it is almost beyond words.

Those WWII bombings happened in the context of war and by all credible accounts probably save around one million allied lives and countless Japanese ones had the war continued.

So few Americans are students of history they have no clue of the context of those bombings. They only hear the wacko left cry that we were horrible for killing 160,000 people.

Agreed. the added comment that action in Japan was "without batting an eye" is an out and out lie, and of Jerimiah Wrights own invention.

Truman agonized over the decision for weeks before, and the remainder of his life after. It was not done as Wright suggests on some whim with blood lust as the motive.

but Foxnews lied because Wright heard some two bit former ambassedor say the words "Chickens come home to roost".

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Can I ask you a serious question? How serious are you about the truth?

As it relates to this subject, do you want the actual facts or are you just trying to point out the counter hyperbole?

I ask this because i posted something that ought to be very much considered in looking for the truth....it seems to have been overlooked.

Pastor Wright states he quoted an Ambassador in that trade about 9/11.
the only part that the Ambassador actually said was "Chickens come home to roost" the Ambassador did not wax eloquent on Indians getting waxed by white terrorists or America bombing Japan without batting an eye....

So was fox lying? do you consider your depiction of the context to be truthful?

Ferd,

When this story first broke, I was shocked and upset when I heard JW preach....just like many here; however, I didn't just stop there, but I began to spend hours pouring over as much information I could regarding JEW and his church.

The more I uncovered the more I realized that this man was being unfairly pigeonholed on his Afrocentric ideology and not judged on his overall life's work. He had done more for the inner-city community in Chicago than any government agency could have imagined. His work with the HIV/AIDS community stood out because he was willing to help when Reagan wouldn't even say the word AIDS.

He demonstrated more Christ-like virtue and compassion than many ministers had and when I looked at the "whole picture", his infrequent racially charged ramblings faded in importance.

I read an article by Anderson Cooper where he objectively investigated the story behind the story with JW's sermons. I'll post it in a minute...read it....it is fair and balanced journalism at its best.

BTW, I am not some lilly-livered liberal. I am a Conservative and I have been involved with the pro-life movement since 1991. The dilemma that I am having with Obama is his stand on many social issues...mainly abortion. As a Christian, I don't think that I will be able to vote for anyone this year. McCain and Hillary are two peas in a pod and though I have respect for Obama and will continue to press for the truth when the spin machine leaks slanderous stories, I will more than likely sit this one out!

[chosenbyone]

The full story behind Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s 9/11 sermon
Posted: 10:09 AM ET
Editor’s note: CNN Contributor Roland Martin has listened to several of the sermons of Rev. Jeremiah Wright from Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. Portions of the sermons have been excerpted in recent stories.

As this whole sordid episode regarding the sermons of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright has played out over the last week, I wanted to understand what he ACTUALLY said in this speech. I’ve been saying all week on CNN that context is important, and I just wanted to know what the heck is going on.

I have now actually listened to the sermon Rev. Wright gave after September 11 titled, “The Day of Jerusalem’s Fall.” It was delivered on Sept. 16, 2001.

One of the most controversial statements in this sermon was when he mentioned “chickens coming home to roost.” He was actually quoting Edward Peck, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan’s terrorism task force, who was speaking on FOX News. That’s what he told the congregation.

He was quoting Peck as saying that America’s foreign policy has put the nation in peril:

I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday did anybody else see or hear him? He was on FOX News, this is a white man, and he was upsetting the FOX News commentators to no end, he pointed out, a white man, an ambassador, he pointed out that what Malcolm X said when he was silenced by Elijah Mohammad was in fact true, he said Americas chickens, are coming home to roost.”

“We took this country by terror away from the Sioux, the Apache, Arikara, the Comanche, the Arapaho, the Navajo. Terrorism.

“We took Africans away from their country to build our way of ease and kept them enslaved and living in fear. Terrorism.

“We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians, babies, non-military personnel.

“We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers and killed unarmed teenage and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hard working fathers.

“We bombed Qaddafi’s home, and killed his child. Blessed are they who bash your children’s head against the rock.

“We bombed Iraq. We killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed a plant in Sudan to pay back for the attack on our embassy, killed hundreds of hard working people, mothers and fathers who left home to go that day not knowing that they’d never get back home.

“We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.

“Kids playing in the playground. Mothers picking up children after school. Civilians, not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day.

“We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff that we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.

“Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y’all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people we have wounded don’t have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that.”

He went on to describe seeing the photos of the aftermath of 9/11 because he was in Newark, N.J., when the planes struck. After turning on the TV and seeing the second plane slam into one of the twin towers, he spoke passionately about what if you never got a chance to say hello to your family again.

“What is the state of your family?” he asked.

And then he told his congregation that he loved them and asked the church to tell each other they loved themselves.

His sermon thesis:

1. This is a time for self-examination of ourselves and our families.

2. This is a time for social transformation (then he went on to say they won’t put me on PBS or national cable for what I’m about to say. Talk about prophetic!)

“We have got to change the way we have been doing things as a society,” he said.

Wright then said we can’t stop messing over people and thinking they can’t touch us. He said we may need to declare war on racism, injustice, and greed, instead of war on other countries.

“Maybe we need to declare war on AIDS. In five minutes the Congress found $40 billion to rebuild New York and the families that died in sudden death, do you think we can find the money to make medicine available for people who are dying a slow death? Maybe we need to declare war on the nation’s healthcare system that leaves the nation’s poor with no health coverage? Maybe we need to declare war on the mishandled educational system and provide quality education for everybody, every citizen, based on their ability to learn, not their ability to pay. This is a time for social transformation.”

3. This is time to tell God thank you for all that he has provided and that he gave him and others another chance to do His will.

By the way, nowhere in this sermon did he said “God ************ America.” I’m not sure which sermon that came from.

This doesn’t explain anything away, nor does it absolve Wright of using the N-word, but what it does do is add an accurate perspective to this conversation.

The point that I have always made as a journalist is that our job is to seek the truth, and not the partial truth.

I am also listening to the other sermons delivered by Rev. Wright that have been the subject of controversy.

And let me be clear: Where I believe he was wrong and not justified in what he said based upon the facts, I will say so. But where the facts support his argument, that will also be said.

So stay tuned.

[ChristopherHall]

Does anyone know how Rev. Wright's sermon ended?

I guess a preacher can't preach against America's sin anymore unless it's a sin according to the Religious Right.