Your views on intimate marital relations are skewed my friend ... you have made it into something dirty that defiles the things of God ...
Having boiled it down to something selfish and just fleshly ...
and yet there are many layers to it ... including spiritual blessing.
I think God is pleased when a married couple can express their love and affection w/ in the marriage bed .... and can bond even more ... physically, emotionally and spiritually .... and does not matter if it's a "church" day ...
You know why ... because he broke the veil ... we are the Church every where we go ... in everything we do ....
We are the temples of the Living God.
He is our Sabbath ...
you're entitled to your views on copulation and I'm entitled to mine. this is where we ended up before. are you happy that we changed the subject and made this thread about my views and not your agenda? I gladly played along, but I'm afraid not much was accomplished except your continual distortions of the subject.
I would be more concerned if a spouse was so involved in Church activities that they had no time or energy to be w/ their mate ... or felt that "activities" for God was more important than making sure their marraige was sound on all levels ... including physically.
We briefly had a pastor who taught this junk. I say briefly because we lasted less than one service once he started.
I scanned in and posted the study documents he handed out with all the scripture and semi-logic he used to push this particular agenda. It is in a thread in the Deep Water section somewhere.
It's common sense that if couples engage before a church service that the presence of God will not manifest. Why don't you put aside your theological arguments and just try it out on the basis of expirimentation. Not that you don't have enough days in the week for such activities.
Really! I think you may have hit on my problem. I have never been able to do all the spiritual stuff that other folks did at my UPC church. Now I understand what the problem is.
So, what about kissing or making out. Is this allowed? Also, how long before service can I do the deed, is something like 12 hours enough or what.