Why I break the law - Page 4

Rico · #31 07-10-2008, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

well, lets just say for me, threads like this still are a bit uncomfortable..... even if they are good points of discussion....

and I am a down the middle modereate on just about everything.

I'm glad he started it. He and I have discussed this issue on other threads and via pm, but this is the first time we've discussed it in a thread dedicated just to this topic. I agree with you that it can get uncomfortable. Too much one way and the cross loses its effectiveness. Too much the other way and you end up believing you are free to sin at will. If ever there was an area that calls for balance, this is it.

ReformedDave · #32 07-10-2008, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

Applications of the law. The teaching of the NC was being established by God using application from the old. Do you think anyone would get what Paul did about not muzzling the ox? He didn't say you are not to muzzle the ox he used to say something completely unrelated.

Unrelated? He applied the law. It is still binding. The case law was application of the more 'general' law. The muzzling of the ox in the OT applied to more than the literal reading. It did then and it does now.

Baron1710 · #33 07-10-2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

What do we do with Jesus' words where he says he did not come to replace/do away with the Law but to fullfill the law?

He said he didn't come to abolish it but fulfill it. He fulfilled it. Fulfilled means to complete.

ReformedDave · #34 07-10-2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

God said he would make a New Covenant, not credit us the Old. When you have a new contract the old one is void.

Except the validity of the OT is confirmed throughout the NT.

Baron1710 · #35 07-10-2008, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rico

I'm glad he started it. He and I have discussed this issue on other threads and via pm, but this is the first time we've discussed it in a thread dedicated just to this topic. I agree with you that it can get uncomfortable. Too much one way and the cross loses its effectiveness. Too much the other way and you end up believing you are free to sin at will. If ever there was an area that calls for balance, this is it.

This is not about antinomianism. People of faith are ruled by him not by a strict list of do this don't do that.

Rico · #36 07-10-2008, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

God said he would make a New Covenant, not credit us the Old. When you have a new contract the old one is void.

Let's tackle it from another angle. Do you believe that the Law expresses, or makes knows, the righteousness of God?

Baron1710 · #37 07-10-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Unrelated? He applied the law. It is still binding. The case law was application of the more 'general' law. The muzzling of the ox in the OT applied to more than the literal reading. It did then and it does now.

He didn't apply the law he used a principle from the law, the writings of the New Testament is where we get the information about the New Covenant.

Baron1710 · #38 07-10-2008, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rico

Let's tackle it from another angle. Do you believe that the Law expresses, or makes knows, the righteousness of God?

It shows the sinfulness of man to bring us to Christ.

Rico · #39 07-10-2008, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

How about keeping the Sabbath?

What day is it? Saturday or Sunday? What if your caught.... picking up sticks on that most holy of days?

Jesus is my Sabbath.

ReformedDave · #40 07-10-2008, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

He said he didn't come to abolish it but fulfill it. He fulfilled it. Fulfilled means to complete.

You haven't finished the passage. Christ states when it will be finished.

Mat. 5- 17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18For truly, I say to you,(D) until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.