I keep thinkin IS and IS NOT are opposites, (either they are or they are not ).
Since the "IS" refers to what "they are, or are made of=Spirit of God" (right?)
And the "IS NOT" refers to termed "descriptive relationship to us".
IMHO, if it said "descriptive terms of relationhip toward mankind" above all of the "IS NOT"s, I'd feel more comfortable with it.
__________________ As for me, may I never boast about anything except the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ. Because of that cross, my interest in this world has been crucified, and the world’s interest in me has also died.- Gal. 6:14
DG, I am totally OK with IS NOT. While being the same God, the Father is not the Son...
Stephen, I haven't read the thread but this diagram portrays a trinitarian view of the Godhead IMO. The Father IS also the Son which IS also the Holy Spirit. This passage has probably been referenced but Is 9:6 says that the Son would be called "Everlasting Father". The Son is also the Father.
One God who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
Perhaps the "is not" would better read "is not the same as".
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Two or three have mentioned the Isaiah 9:6 passage...
I think "Everlasting Father" could better read "Father of Eternity" as some translations put it.
I don't see this as an inference that the Son of God was/is His own Father in heaven. To be sure - it is a claim to deity either way.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
So you mean there's hope for the Trinitarian believer in Jesus Christ?
At risk of Carp's accusation of
"we judge stuff based on what and how and who we believe"
I will say absolutely - there's hope for the Trinitarian believer in Jesus Christ!
Is this "hope" in spite of imperfections we can find in their theology? YES. This is true for Oneness believers as well. I know many Trinitarian believers who know and love Jesus.
And that is my final answer.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Growing up Apostolic and attending Apostolic churches just about my entire adult life, I can count on 1 hand the times I've heard Jesus ref'd to as the Son of God-- a very important Biblical truth that we miss, IMHO.
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Somehow OP have nurtured this idea that Son of God is not denotative of the Shema, or that it implies a lessor deity.
You are right that is unfortunate - because this is the predominant language of scripture.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Perhaps the "is not" would better read "is not the same as".
__________________ As for me, may I never boast about anything except the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ. Because of that cross, my interest in this world has been crucified, and the world’s interest in me has also died.- Gal. 6:14
Sooooo, can everyone sign the "Affirmation Statement" now??
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Sooooo, can everyone sign the "Affimation Statement" now??
Change the "IS NOT"'s to read ("not the same descriptive title as"), and I'll sign twice.
__________________ As for me, may I never boast about anything except the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ. Because of that cross, my interest in this world has been crucified, and the world’s interest in me has also died.- Gal. 6:14
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